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From Yegor Kozlov <yegor.koz...@dinom.ru>
Subject Re: ODF Toolkit Incubation Pre-Proposal
Date Tue, 28 Jun 2011 11:40:34 GMT
Hi Rob,

I'm a committer and PMC in the POI project and I'm interested in
integration with the ODF Toolkit.
Apache will be a good home for this codebase and many ASF projects
will benefit from it.

For POI I see the following potential benefits:
 - have a common Java API to manipulate with Spreadsheet, Document and
Presentation files transparently from the format (binary MS Office
files, OOXML files or ODF files).
 - Extend POI tools to support ODF. For example, POI's formula
evaluation module enables you to calculate the result of formulas in
Excels sheets. I'm sure it will be a popular feature for ODF too.
 - unified interfaces for text extractors. This is a conduit to
content analysis toolkits like Apache Tika.

I think we should start a new TLP with a possibility that ODF Toolkit
and POI will converge into one project in the future.

I thought about including the ODF Toolkit as part of Apache POI, but
it is not a good idea at the moment. POI's niche is Java API for
Office documents.  The Conformance Tools and the C#/.NET library don't
fit in it. Also, the ODF Toolkit is Maven-driven and POI is
Ant-driven.

Yegor

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Rob Weir <apache@robweir.com> wrote:
> I'm cc'ing the POI and OpenOffice projects, inviting them to join this
> discussion on the Incubator general list: general@incubator.apache.org
>
> When we were discussing the OpenOffice proposal a few weeks ago I
> mentioned that there was another set of technology called the ODF
> Toolkit, that we might want to bring to Apache as well.  I heard some
> enthusiasm for this at the time, but I didn't have the bandwidth to
> put together another proposal.  Now I do.  I'd like to pitch the idea,
> and see if there is still interest in having a formal incubation
> proposal submitted, and if so, identifying a Champion and Sponsor for
> the proposal.
>
> Note that this would not be a fork.  The ODF Toolkit Union Steering
> Committee met this morning and agreed to propose moving to Apache.
>
> As you probably know, ODF == Open Document Format, a open standard
> document format for office documents.  The ODF standard is created at
> OASIS and then sent to ISO/IEC JTC1 for transposition into an
> International Standard.  ODF 1.0 was first published in 2005.  ODF 1.1
> came out in 2007.  And ODF 1.2 is "Candidate OASIS Standard" awaiting
> final approval in OASIS, probably by end of September.  ODF 1.2 is
> what most applications are supporting today.   OpenOffice,
> LibreOffice, Symphony, KOffice/Calligra Suite use ODF as native
> formats.  Other applications, including Microsoft Office, Corel
> Wordperfect and Google Docs offer some degree of import/export
> support.  ODF 1.2 is the version also supported by the ODF Toolkit.
>
> The ODF Toolkit Union maintains the following toolkits, all of them
> under the Apache 2.0 license:
>
> 1) ODFDOM is Java-based typed DOM API, relatively low level, a 1-to-1
> mapping to the ODF schema.  In fact, much of the code is generated by
> processing the schema.
>
> http://odftoolkit.org/projects/odfdom/pages/Home
>
> 2) Simple Java API for ODF is a high level wrapper of ODFDOM.  So
> operations that might require several DOM-level operations, like
> deleting a column in a spreadsheet, are a single operation in the
> Simple API.  Search and replace, copying slides from one presentation
> to another, adding hyperlinks to a selection, etc., are top level
> operations.
>
> http://simple.odftoolkit.org/
>
> 3) The Conformance Tools projects is also in Java, and includes an
> online conformance checker of ODF documents, which can also be run in
> command line mode.
>
> http://odftoolkit.org/projects/conformancetools/pages/Home
>
> 4) XSLTRunner and XSLT Runner Task allows easy use of XSLT transforms
> with ODF documents.
>
> http://odftoolkit.org/projects/conformancetools/pages/ODFXSLTRunner
>
> 5) AODL is a C#/.NET library for ODF
>
> http://odftoolkit.org/projects/aodl/pages/Home
>
> I think there is natural synergy with Apache, especially with the Java
> components.  For example, I could see publishing pipelines involving
> the ODF Toolkit with PDFBox, Batik, FOP, and POI. Having these tools
> under a common license, in one place, has obvious benefits.
>
> Moving this project over would not be a large technical effort.
> Mercurial ==> SVN,  some simple website/wiki migration, 30 or so
> pages, a few mailing lists and bugzilla databases.  It is currently on
> the Kenai infrastructure, so similar to OpenOffice, just much, much
> smaller in scale.
>
> I'm open as to whether this would be best eventually as a TLP or as
> part of an existing project, like POI or even OpenOffice.  I'm leaning
> a little toward having this as a TLP, but I'm open to other ideas.
>
> Also, since this is already an open source project with all code under
> Apache 2.0, I assume no SGA is required?
>
> So please let me know if you agree that Apache would be a good
> location to further develop the ODF Toolkit libraries.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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