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From Robert Burrell Donkin <>
Subject Re: An intermediate foundation? (was: OpenOffice and the ASF)
Date Sat, 04 Jun 2011 07:20:23 GMT
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 16:42, Kevin Lau <> wrote:
>> First time posting to this list and has been reading it for few days now.
>> Permit my naive question, can both organizations (TDF and Apache) separate
>> from their own licensing dependencies and establish an independent entity
>> (or something that works) to develop some code that can benefit both
>> parties?
> Foundations are extremely time consuming, imposing a burden on an
> ecosystem that sucks away a lot of potential. The Apache Software
> Foundation has been able to pull it off *only* because we've been
> working on it for a dozen years. We also have thousands of committers
> and hundreds of Members to ask for volunteer time.
> Starting a Foundation from scratch is a serious pain in the ass. Ask
> Florian about trying to get TDF started :-)
> The TDF has (actually) not even been completed. They're still going
> through the paperwork. I don't think they're in a position to suggest
> starting *another* foundation :-P (and I know that Apache would just
> stare blankly and ask "why?")
> And note that even after you get the paperwork completed, then you
> have ongoing time commitments in terms of handling donations, filing
> taxes, legal issues, member meetings, marketing and publicity,
> conferences, trademark management, outreach, tons of infrastructure,
> ... etc etc etc. And I didn't even get to the "project governance"
> part where the community is writing code!!
> To be honest, I get a bit sad every time somebody says "let's create a
> Foundation". I just shake my head, knowing the amount of pain they
> just signed themselves up to. I've been involved with the ASF for over
> a decade. I've seen it from the beginning. It is non-trivial, and I
> don't wish that on anybody.



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