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From Ian Lynch <>
Subject Re: Question to IBM regarding license of Lotus Symphony
Date Sat, 04 Jun 2011 16:13:38 GMT
On 4 June 2011 16:54, Sam Ruby <> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Ian Lynch <> wrote:
> >
> > Fact: Oracle donated the code to ASF, not to TDF. It's just the way it is
> > not a value judgement.
> >
> > Fact: Copyleft license can be derived from Apache but not the other way
> > round
> >
> > Fact: TDF have some very able people some of whom will not want to work
> on
> > non- CL code
> >
> > Fact: ASF will not change its license
> >
> > Given these it seems certain to me that there will be two projects. Its
> up
> > to the players to makes sure that they thrive rather than die. I believe
> we
> > can do this so let's just do it.
> There are a few reasons to not jump to this conclusion just yet, not
> the least of which is that the ASF has not even voted to accept this
> project for incubation.  It is also possible that there are enough TDF
> people who are willing to accept the Apache License and would prefer
> that these codebases not further diverge.

Hm, I think there will always be sufficient who are philosophically in the
CopyLeft camp. That really means it's the balance that is not known. Ok if
that balance shifts too far to one side or another the other project is
likely to die but that is probably going to take time beyond the incubation
period to determine. If OOo doesn't make it through to the incubator I guess
TDF and LO will just carry on from where they are. In that case those that
feel strongly that is the best outcome won't want the vote to go in favour.
Since Ross said a good reason not to accept the code would be needed, the
only candidate I can see is that "it will effectively result in 2 projects".
That is a value judgement Apache members will have to decide but they might
well take the view that a more permissive license trumps 2 projects - well
they are Apache people so they must believe in the license :-)

It is this reasoning that leads me to the conclusions stated.

> That being said, if we do (however reluctantly) come to the point
> where we need to make the conclusion you described above, lets see if
> we can work together to produce a joint statement to that effect.
> In particular, lets put all past mistakes in what each of has said (or
> failed to say) publicly behind us.

I wholeheartedly agree. The people I have worked with at OOo and LO and Ross
I know from Apache, are all good people. Let's respect differences and show
what the community can do.

- Sam Ruby
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