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From Jim Jagielski <...@jaguNET.com>
Subject Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?
Date Fri, 03 Jun 2011 18:15:10 GMT
Cmon Joe, Simon's PoV has been clear from his tweets,
unless he has changed his mind... If I am mis-representing
his stance, Simon's a big boy and can tell me where I'm
wrong and I'll admit I was wrong. Does he say that *both*
TDF and the ASF has the opportunity? No, just the ASF.

Maybe that is a nit, but of such nits confusion arises.

On Jun 3, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> Cmon Jim, he wrote a lengthy monologue which spelled
> out his position.  As I read it, we could license
> the OpenOffice trademark to the Document Foundation
> for, as Simon put it, "business as usual" distributions.
> If we wanted to we could specify a time/date/event
> upon which that license terminates, and the "new"
> stuff going on at the ASF would be distributing code
> under the mark.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Jim Jagielski <jim@jaguNET.com>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Fri, June 3, 2011 1:58:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the 
> Community?
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3  Jun 2011, at 17:52, Ian Lynch wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi  Florian,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I do see with great concern  is the need for a second project to be set-up
>>>>> at Apache or any  other entity.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thing is that this is  done, Oracle didn't and won't now give the IP to any
>>>> other  foundation.  So we are where we are.
>>> 
>>> We may be where we  are, but we collectively have the opportunity to 
>> collaborate once Oracle has  gone - that's what "open" means.  "My way or the 
>> highway" talk - from any  side - is detestable.  ASF has the opportunity to 
>> reject the bait to head  down the path of ideological conflict, choose a 
>> conciliatory path that respects  the existing community and especially to use 
>> the trademark (which is the only  actual asset being transferred) for everyone's

>> good.
>>> 
>> 
>> Let's be  honest: by "collaborate" you mean have the ASF simply
>> xfer the code and the  trademark to TDF and walk away... At least,
>> that is the strong impression you  give. Please correct me if  I'm
>> wrong.
>> 
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