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From Steve Loughran <>
Subject Re: Apache Incubator Proposal
Date Thu, 02 Jun 2011 23:06:30 GMT
On 01/06/2011 17:33, wrote:
> Jukka Zitting<>  wrote on 06/01/2011 12:13:09 PM:
>>>   Community
>>> seeks to further encourage developer and user
> communities
>>> during incubation, beyond the existing developers currently working on
> the
>>> project.
>> Any thoughts on how (or if) the LibreOffice community would fit into
>> this picture?
> There are many projects, open source and proprietary that are derived from
> Sun/Oracle's original OpenOffice project.
> I made a diagram of this on a blog post a while ago:
> So I think we want to consider all of this.  This code base, although not
> your typical piece of componentry, does appear to have been treated as
> something that could be customized, repackaged and redistributed.  I don't
> have the exactly numbers, but there are significant users of the following
> OpenOffice derivatives:
> - LibreOffice
> - IBM Lotus Symphony
> - EuroOffice
> - BrOffice (which some would say is a derivative of LibreOffice)
> - RedOffice
> In all cases there are several overlapping communities:
> - a community of developers
> - a community of users
> - a community of supporters, trainers, consultants, etc.
> We'll need to work out how these related, and especially which of these
> community functions are a good fit for an eventual Apache TLP, and which
> things fit better outside of Apache.  But my recommendation is that we
> encourage the core development of the editors to occur in Apache, while
> making it easy, via a modular extension mechanism, a modular install, etc.
> for others to customize and redistribute as permitted by the Apache 2.0
> license.

OK, but what about the TDF people. Where do they appear here? Is this 
another donation of a dead brand after the OSS people forked off the 
project and kept it going? Like the donation of Hudson to Eclipse after 
the Jenkins fork?

I don't trust oracle since the Harmony mess. If they did support the 
Apache license, why don't they provide the TCK for the JDK without 
imposing Field of Use restrictions? That would be a sign of support for 
apache-licensed code?

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