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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: OGNL Infrastructure questions
Date Mon, 02 May 2011 06:26:25 GMT
> My issue (for the commons PMC I guess) is how committer votes will
> happen when OGNL graduates.
>
> After graduation, how would one of the current contributors propose a
> new committer if they are not themselves on the Commons PMC?

Proposal:

- If you are a Commons PMC Member, you are an OGNL PPMC member by default
- If a Committer is invited to the PPMC, an additional vote on Commons
PMC is necessary, b/c he will join the Commons PMC after graduation by
default
- A contributor can be proposed by anybody - its up to the PPMC to open the vote
- A new Committer can be elected by the PPMC with binding votes; as
usual other Committers can vote unbinding. I don't think it creates
any problems b/c usually there is already a consens on adding a person
before calling a vote.

Makes sense?

Cheers
Christian




>
> Upayavira
>
> On Sun, 01 May 2011 19:56 +0200, "Simone Tripodi"
> <simonetripodi@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi Upayavira!!!
>> I agree that commons folks can have rw rights, so people are already
>> used to co-work in the 'commons way'.
>> Moreover, I agreed on joining
>>
>> - dev@commons.a.o
>> - users@commons.a.o
>> - issues@commons.a.o
>> - create the private ML where commons PMCs can join.
>>
>> Does it make sense?
>> Simo
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
>> > use commons-user: +1
>> > put SVN in 'incubator' space: +1
>> > grant "commons rw: +1 (assuming current OGNL committers agree)
>> >
>> > As to a private list, I think the benefit would be the opportunity for
>> > the OGNL committers to learn how such management happens. Where, for
>> > example, would committer votes happen? The issue with graduation to
>> > Commons is what happens after graduation - do they suddenly loose some
>> > power over their own affairs, e.g. ease of seeing vote threads. So not
>> > sure the best on this one.
>> >
>> > Upayavira
>> >
>> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:29 -0700, "Henri Yandell" <flamefew@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Agreed, no need to use the svn location from Commons; though I ask to
>> >> allow @commons rw access.
>> >>
>> >> The committer of the podling would not automatically become PMC
>> >> members, so I don't think there is a need to setup a private list (or
>> >> even to consider it a PPMC).
>> >>
>> >> Hen
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >> <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> we could share MLs and also SVN (Sandbox
>> >> >> would be nice, not?)
>> >> >
>> >> > MLs are fine, b/c one would need to change address later, and
>> >> > searching for pre-graduation threads is more easily.
>> >> >
>> >> > For SVN I don't see a benefit. The repos can be moved with less effort
>> >> > once component is graduated. I would like to avoid to get something
>> >> > into the sandbox which is not cleared from legal perspective. What,
if
>> >> > OGNL fails in the incubator and we just forget to remove the code from
>> >> > the sandbox? If its in the incubator part, it is like a tag
>> >> > saying:"beware"
>> >> >
>> >> > I would be +1 on user/dev ML but leave SVN in incubator
>> >> > Is there a need to create a pmc ML for OGNL to discuss incubation
>> >> > related matters?
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> >
>> >> >> What Incubator PMCs think about it?
>> >> >> Simo
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> >> >> http://www.99soft.org/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Henri Yandell <flamefew@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> >> >>> Below is a thread from the Commons Dev list in which I'm recommending
>> >> >>> that OGNL use the commons dev mailing list and that the svn
>> >> >>> permissions allow the ognl committers and the commons committers
to
>> >> >>> have read write access.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>    http://commons.markmail.org/thread/ku3ouuilpiicb5is
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Is this a concern for anyone?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> OGNL's target is to graduate into Commons rather than to TLP,
so
>> >> >>> making it act like a TLP seems destined to cause problems.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Hen
>> >> >>>
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