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From Simone Tripodi <simonetrip...@apache.org>
Subject Re: OGNL Infrastructure questions
Date Mon, 02 May 2011 06:30:09 GMT
Hi Christian!!!
it makes a lot of sense, IMHO, it should maintain the stability of
both ecosystems!
Simo

http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> My issue (for the commons PMC I guess) is how committer votes will
>> happen when OGNL graduates.
>>
>> After graduation, how would one of the current contributors propose a
>> new committer if they are not themselves on the Commons PMC?
>
> Proposal:
>
> - If you are a Commons PMC Member, you are an OGNL PPMC member by default
> - If a Committer is invited to the PPMC, an additional vote on Commons
> PMC is necessary, b/c he will join the Commons PMC after graduation by
> default
> - A contributor can be proposed by anybody - its up to the PPMC to open the vote
> - A new Committer can be elected by the PPMC with binding votes; as
> usual other Committers can vote unbinding. I don't think it creates
> any problems b/c usually there is already a consens on adding a person
> before calling a vote.
>
> Makes sense?
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Upayavira
>>
>> On Sun, 01 May 2011 19:56 +0200, "Simone Tripodi"
>> <simonetripodi@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Upayavira!!!
>>> I agree that commons folks can have rw rights, so people are already
>>> used to co-work in the 'commons way'.
>>> Moreover, I agreed on joining
>>>
>>> - dev@commons.a.o
>>> - users@commons.a.o
>>> - issues@commons.a.o
>>> - create the private ML where commons PMCs can join.
>>>
>>> Does it make sense?
>>> Simo
>>>
>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > use commons-user: +1
>>> > put SVN in 'incubator' space: +1
>>> > grant "commons rw: +1 (assuming current OGNL committers agree)
>>> >
>>> > As to a private list, I think the benefit would be the opportunity for
>>> > the OGNL committers to learn how such management happens. Where, for
>>> > example, would committer votes happen? The issue with graduation to
>>> > Commons is what happens after graduation - do they suddenly loose some
>>> > power over their own affairs, e.g. ease of seeing vote threads. So not
>>> > sure the best on this one.
>>> >
>>> > Upayavira
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:29 -0700, "Henri Yandell" <flamefew@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> Agreed, no need to use the svn location from Commons; though I ask to
>>> >> allow @commons rw access.
>>> >>
>>> >> The committer of the podling would not automatically become PMC
>>> >> members, so I don't think there is a need to setup a private list (or
>>> >> even to consider it a PPMC).
>>> >>
>>> >> Hen
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>>> >> <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> we could share MLs and also SVN (Sandbox
>>> >> >> would be nice, not?)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > MLs are fine, b/c one would need to change address later, and
>>> >> > searching for pre-graduation threads is more easily.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > For SVN I don't see a benefit. The repos can be moved with less
effort
>>> >> > once component is graduated. I would like to avoid to get something
>>> >> > into the sandbox which is not cleared from legal perspective. What,
if
>>> >> > OGNL fails in the incubator and we just forget to remove the code
from
>>> >> > the sandbox? If its in the incubator part, it is like a tag
>>> >> > saying:"beware"
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I would be +1 on user/dev ML but leave SVN in incubator
>>> >> > Is there a need to create a pmc ML for OGNL to discuss incubation
>>> >> > related matters?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Cheers
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> What Incubator PMCs think about it?
>>> >> >> Simo
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>> >> >> http://www.99soft.org/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Henri Yandell <flamefew@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> >> >>> Below is a thread from the Commons Dev list in which I'm
recommending
>>> >> >>> that OGNL use the commons dev mailing list and that the
svn
>>> >> >>> permissions allow the ognl committers and the commons committers
to
>>> >> >>> have read write access.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>    http://commons.markmail.org/thread/ku3ouuilpiicb5is
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Is this a concern for anyone?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> OGNL's target is to graduate into Commons rather than to
TLP, so
>>> >> >>> making it act like a TLP seems destined to cause problems.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Hen
>>> >> >>>
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>>> >> >
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