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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Date Thu, 03 Mar 2011 05:20:53 GMT
will do, I know Joe S. lurks here -- Joe -- do you get what I'm saying? Am I crazy? (don't
answer that) ^_^

On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:08 PM, David Crossley wrote:

> I am just following current ASF practice.
> 
> I agree with the importance of preserving archives
> and reliable links to past resources.
> 
> Please take this up with ASF Infrastructure.
> This Incubator forum has too narrow scope.
> 
> By the way, unrelated to my orginal post,
> ASF Infra is currently preparing to talk to all
> projects that have too much stuff in their w.a.o/dist/
> space.
> 
> -David
> 
> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>> David Crossley wrote:
>> 
>>> Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>>> Hmmm,
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of
releases? We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users
to our Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org
keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could
just point to the archives? 
>>> 
>>> We are not deleting any archives.
>> 
>> You're right, you're suggesting that it's good that we  delete the original copy,
the one that release announcements link to via email and the ones that folks may have permlinked
as bookmarks, and the one that our own mail archives link to?
>> 
>>> 
>>> Keeping the dist area tidy with only current releases
>>> means that this huge ASF-wide content is mirrored efficiently.
>> 
>> At what cost? In my mind, there is a subtle point lost here. 
>> 
>> Archiving is good and it has to do with mirroring. What i'm advocating for is preservation.
We should never delete the original copy dists for *any project*. It creates disconnects between
the world-wide mirroring system that is called email, and locally caching things, and archiving
and cataloging links.
>> 
>> The cost of invalidating those negates a ton of the savings that you're proposing.

>> 
>>> 
>>> Also, we don't mirror archive.a.o via that dist system. 
>> 
>> Gotcha.
>> 
>>> 
>>> I just had a look at Tika download page. It does as i suggested
>>> earlier: They link to 
>>> archive.apache.org/dist/tika/
>>> for old releases
>>> and to
>>> archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/tika/
>>> for the older incubator releases.
>> 
>> Yeah I think we updated that. I couldn't remember if we actually directly linked
to incubator.a.o. I think I might have even updated that when I noticed the links were broke
on the site.
>> 
>> Regardless, we should haven't to update it it. I'm proposing that's *it's a good
thing* to have an original + 1 copy from a reliability and software preservation perspective.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
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>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
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>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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