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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Graduated projects please tidy up: abdera aries buildr chemistry esme oodt river shiro thrift uima
Date Thu, 03 Mar 2011 04:06:01 GMT
Hi Sebb,

>> Hmmm,
>> 
>> I'd like to question this: why would the Incubator ever delete archives of releases?
We have active links on the TLP for e.g., OODT and for e.g., Tika that point users to our
Incubator releases that are still active Incubator links. I realize that archive.apache.org
keeps a copy, but following your logic, why would any TLP maintain its own dist area? It could
just point to the archives?
> 
> Yes, that's what it should do for non-current releases.

Sorry, wearing my NASA archive/preservation hat here, this is a huge gaping hole. 

We make links available on releases, and those release URLs could be cataloged/pointed to
from other sites. Apache provides sustainable infrastructure for releases, infrastructure
that is highly available, and mirrored throughout the world. 

Having a single copy backup of *all* releases as a long-term archive is a great thing and
something *that should be in addition to* the "active archive" (the dist area for a project).
Requiring that "non current" releases lose their permlinks that exist during release time
(and again that people download or bookmark to their computers) in the "active archive" (their
dist area) is not a best practice.

This is speaking from experience of archiving information that must exist for 10s of years.
Software releases shouldn't be any different.

Cheers,
Chris


> 
>> In my mind, it's perfectly acceptable to keep releases that are made in Incubator
ville on the Incubator dist page -- that's not just a requirement for active Incubator projects,
it should be true even when they graduate.
> 
> The dist area should be for the current version(s) only.
> 
> Once a new release has been out a short while, any superseded releases
> should be deleted from dist.
> The download page can point to archives.a.o for individual older
> releases, or can just contain a generic link to archive.a.o.
> 
> 
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:34 PM, David Crossley wrote:
>> 
>>> Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For Shiro (which is now a TLP), I just moved the artifacts out of
>>>> /www/www.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro and then deleted the shiro
>>>> directory.
>>> 
>>> Remember that stuff is automatically copied to archives:
>>> http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/shiro/
>>> http://archive.apache.org/dist/shiro/
>>> 
>>> The docs do explain that, but perhaps need enhancement.
>>> 
>>> So for example at Forrest, our download page and the fronts-piece
>>> of our dist mirrors, refers to our archives. No need to specially
>>> save everything.
>>> 
>>> I reckon that Shiro's old incubator release does not need
>>> to be copied to */dist/shiro/
>>> I wonder if they should only be at archive.a.o/dist/incubator/shiro/
>>> 
>>>> Is there anything else required for Shiro?  Aside from
>>>> this issue, I'm not aware of any other migration issues.
>>> 
>>> Okay according to Clutch.
>>> 
>>> Glancing at the Shiro status page, it could use a final
>>> News item. The links to the Reports are missing the final one.
>>> 
>>> Congratulations.
>>> 
>>> -David
>>> 
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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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