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From Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
Subject Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects
Date Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:30:28 GMT
Thilo, the point is that any mentor, champion or in other form involved ASF member MUST NOT
give his +1 to any incubator RELEASE vote which is not IP clear! 

It might be that incubator snapshots are not IP cleared yet, but there is certainly a much
higher grade of review in any incubator _release_.

Otherwise we would have to introduce a new 'Apache Incubator Software License' or kind of
weird construct when shipping incubator releases...

LieGrue,
strub


--- On Wed, 12/1/10, Thilo Götz <twgoetz@gmx.de> wrote:

> From: Thilo Götz <twgoetz@gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: Basing Apache releases on releases from incubating projects
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 1, 2010, 5:01 PM
> On 12/1/2010 17:56, Mattmann, Chris A
> (388J) wrote:
> > Hey Joe,
> > 
> >>>
> >>> Hrm, umm, so  what's the difference
> between this, and oh I don't know,
> >>> some other library I  pick up as a TLP
> off Google code who claims their
> >>> source is ASLv2 licensed? I  have no
> guarantee over there that the license
> >>> issues are resolved either, yet we  do
> that all the time over here in Apache?
> >>>
> >>> So, I don't agree with your  point.
> >>
> >> The major issues with liability are always tied up
> in who releases stuff.  We
> >> aren't all that liable for code we are
> redistributing from someone else's
> >> release.  But we are liable for releasing
> code that is only being otherwise
> >> distributed out of our svn repo.
> >>
> >> Don't believe the remarks of Niclas and others who
> live in countries where
> >> all copyright infringement violators are subject
> to public stonings.  In the
> >> US damages are assessed based on how many times
> and for what purpose those
> >> infringements are actually done.
> > 
> > I hear ya, and I believe you have way more experience
> in this particular area than I do. I'm just saying that it
> would be nice if we could eat our own dog food in this
> particular accord, otherwise, what's the Incubator other
> than an Apache-branded area of code that's subject to *even
> stricter* guises. If you what you say is true, then it would
> seem to me that projects would benefit then from going to
> Google Code first, saying they are ASLv2 over there, and
> then being included over here in Apache projects (in source
> or binary form) -- they wouldn't be subject to the same
> scrutiny that our Incubator podlings are.
> 
> Oh but they are.  I'm a committer on the new OpenNLP
> incubator
> project that's just starting up.  It's Apache
> licensed, but that
> saves us nothing.  We're doing a code grant, ICLAs
> from all current
> and previous contributors, etc etc, the whole nine
> yards.  The
> fact that the code is already under the Apache license
> makes hardly
> any difference.
> 
> --Thilo
> 
> > 
> > But OTOH, it would be nice if we could reward
> Incubator podlings for choosing to do it the "Apache Way" to
> begin with by making some sort of easier mechanism for their
> code to be included in other Apache projects, right? After
> all the discussion about making it easier on podlings, I
> would hope we are striving to make this the reality.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Chris
> > 
> >
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > Senior Computer Scientist
> > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> > Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
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> >
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science
> Department
> > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
> 90089 USA
> >
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > 
> > 
> >
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