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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Accept Wave for incubation
From: Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org>
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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:16:45 +0200
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Sounds good :-)

On Nov 24, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Dan Peterson wrote:

> Hi Andrus,
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> Thanks for your support. I think this'll be a good home for Wave to =
grow and
> mature.
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> I've taken the liberty of adding you on the mentor list. :)
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> Cheers,
> -Dan
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> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik =
<andrus@objectstyle.org>wrote:
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>> +1
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>> I am so happy that after all considerations and suggestions that were
>> floated in the Wave community, you guys picked Apache as the place to
>> develop Wave community and WIAB. Good luck and let me know if you =
need extra
>> mentors (you already have 4, so I figured you are covered and didn't =
add
>> myself to the list).
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>> Cheers,
>> Andrus
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>> On Nov 23, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Dan Peterson wrote:
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>>> Hello all,
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>>> We'd like to propose Wave for entry into the ASF incubator.
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>>> The draft proposal is available at:
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WaveProposal
>>> (for your convenience, a snapshot is also copied below)
>>>=20
>>> A wave is a hosted, live, concurrent data structure for rich
>> communication.
>>> It can be used like email, chat, or a document. Wave in a Box (WIAB) =
is
>> the
>>> name of the main product at the moment, which is a server that hosts =
and
>>> federates waves, supports extensive APIs, and provides a rich web =
client.
>>> This project also includes an implementation of the Wave Federation
>>> protocol, to enable federated collaboration systems (such as =
multiple
>>> interoperable Wave In a Box instances).
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>>> As a result of the recent Wave Summit, beyond growing a few new
>> committers,
>>> we've put together the following proposal for migrating the =
community
>> into
>>> the ASF incubator. More details on the summit & Wave in a Box =
progress in
>>> this blogpost:
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>> =
http://googlewavedev.blogspot.com/2010/11/this-weeks-wave-protocol-summit-=
updates.html
>>>=20
>>> We are looking forward to your feedback and suggestions.
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>>> By the way, if you're looking to learn more about the technology =
related
>> to
>>> wave, you can see the videos and presentations from the recent Wave
>> Summit
>>> in: https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+rwFyiw47A
>>>=20
>>> Kind regards,
>>> -Dan, on behalf of the Wave Community
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>>> P.S. For those on the wave-protocol Google Group (that aren't yet on
>>> general@incubator.apache.org), please participate in this discussion
>>> by sending a message to general-subscribe at incubator dot apache =
dot org
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>>>=20
>>> Apache Wave Proposal (Apache Incubator)
>>>=20
>>> =3D Abstract =3D
>>>=20
>>> Apache Wave is the project where wave technology is developed at =
Apache.
>>> Wave in a Box (WIAB) is the name of the main product at the moment, =
which
>> is
>>> a server that hosts and federates waves, supports extensive APIs, =
and
>>> provides a rich web client. This project also includes an =
implementation
>> of
>>> the Wave Federation protocol, to enable federated collaboration =
systems
>>> (such as multiple interoperable Wave In a Box instances).
>>>=20
>>> =3D Proposal =3D
>>>=20
>>> A wave is a hosted, live, concurrent data structure for rich
>> communication.
>>> It can be used like email, chat, or a document.
>>>=20
>>> WIAB is a server that hosts waves. The best analogy for this is a =
mail
>>> server with a web client. WIAB is comprised of a few high-level
>> components:
>>> the client and the server. They have the following major =
functionality
>>> (though this is not an exhaustive list):
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>>> * Client
>>> *A dynamic web client for users to create, edit, and search waves. =
Users
>>> can access this client by directly visiting the server in a browser.
>>> * Gadgets provide the ability to insert, view, and modify the UI --
>>> exposing the Wave Gadgets API (
>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/extensions/gadgets/guide.html)
>>> * A console client that can create and edit waves via a
>> command-line-like
>>> interface.
>>> * Server
>>> * Hosts and stores waves. WIAB comes with a default storage =
mechanism.
>> The
>>> administrators of the server may configure it to use alternative =
storage
>>> mechanisms.
>>> * Indexing, allowing for searching the waves a user has access to.
>>> * Basic authentication, configurable to delegate to other systems.
>>> * Federation, allowing separate Wave in a Box servers to communicate
>> with
>>> each other using the Wave Federation Protocol (
>>> http://www.waveprotocol.org/federation).
>>> * Robots, using the Wave Robots API, (
>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/extensions/robots/) may interact =
with
>> waves
>>> on a WIAB instance.
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>>> =3D Background =3D
>>>=20
>>> Wave expresses a new metaphor for communication: hosted =
conversations.
>> This
>>> was created by Lars and Jens Rasmussen after observation of people's =
use
>> of
>>> many separate forms of communication to get something done, e.g, =
email,
>>> chat, docs, blogs, twitter, etc.
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>>> The vision has always been to better the way people communicate and
>>> collaborate. Building open protocols and sharing code available in =
an
>> open
>>> and free way is a critical part of that vision. Anyone should be =
able to
>>> bring up their own wave server and communicate with others (much =
like
>> SMTP).
>>>=20
>>> We hope this project will allow everyone to easily gain the benefits =
of
>> Wave
>>> with a standard implementation of Wave =96 in a box.
>>>=20
>>> =3D Rationale =3D
>>>=20
>>> Wave has shown it excels at small group collaboration when hosted by
>> Google.
>>> Although Wave will not continue as a standalone Google product, =
there is
>> a
>>> lot of interest from many organizations in both running Wave and =
building
>>> upon the technology for new products.
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>>> We are confident that with the community-centric development =
environment
>>> fostered by the Apache Software Foundation, WIAB will thrive.
>>>=20
>>> =3D Initial Goals =3D
>>>=20
>>> The initial goals of the project are:
>>>=20
>>> 1.  To migrate the codebase from code.google.com and integrate the
>> project
>>> with the ASF infrastructure (issue management, build, project site, =
etc).
>>> 1.  To quickly reach a state where it is possible to continue the
>>> development of the Wave In a Box implementation under the ASF =
project.
>>> 1.  To add new committers to the project and grow the community in =
"The
>>> Apache Way".
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>>> =3D Current Status =3D
>>>=20
>>> The open source Wave in a Box project has existed in various forms =
for
>>> approximately 16 months (starting out life as the FedOne open source
>>> project).
>>>=20
>>> FedOne began in July 2009 in order to accelerate adoption of the =
wave
>>> federation protocol, and serve as a proof of concept that a =
non-Google
>>> implementation of the wave federation protocol could interoperate =
with
>> the
>>> Google production instance. It worked. FedOne's existence lead to a
>>> prototype by Novell that demonstrated federation between Google Wave =
and
>>> Novell Pulse (now known as Vibe). In addition, in May of 2010, SAP
>> unveiled
>>> a prototype version of SAP StreamWork that federated with both =
Novell
>> Pulse
>>> and Google Wave. All three systems interoperated, sharing real-time
>> state,
>>> and gadget updates. In May 2010 Google released significantly more =
code
>>> (including the cross-browser rich text editor) to connect with other
>>> components that were built from scratch, resulting in a simple web
>> client.
>>>=20
>>> The project has grown over the last year to include many Google and
>>> non-Google contributions.  The project has picked up steam in recent
>> months
>>> as the direction of the standalone Google Wave product has shifted.  =
At
>> this
>>> time the Wave in a Box project enjoys very active development, with =
new
>>> features and functionality being added almost daily. The first Wave
>> Protocol
>>> Summit was recently held and included developers from a variety of
>>> countries, companies, and organizations.
>>>=20
>>> The code base is a mixture of mature core code from Google Wave, and
>>> somewhat immature integration code forming WIAB. WIAB is quickly =
becoming
>>> highly functional and is already in a very "demoable" state.  The
>>> development mailing lists are  very active indicating wide community
>>> support.  We recognize that now is a good time to migrate to the =
Apache
>>> Foundation while the codebase and community is a manageable size.
>> Assuming
>>> the current momentum continues, we expect strong growth in the code =
and
>>> community in the near future.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Meritocracy =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> The initial set of committers includes many Google employees, and =
there
>> is
>>> an active and growing community outside Google contributing to WIAB
>> already
>>> today. Google culture itself encourages meritocracy, and the =
community
>> has
>>> always grown =96 and will continue to grow =96 in this fashion.
>>>=20
>>> As shown by the initial committers list below, several members from
>> outside
>>> of Google have already demonstrated interest, skill, and commitment =
to
>>> contributing to the project.  These individuals have been recognized =
on
>>> those merits by the initial committers.  Their selection as the =
first
>> wave
>>> of new committers is a sign of the burgeoning meritocracy.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Community =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> Wave currently has a healthy community around waveprotocol.org, with
>>> conversations hosted at =
http://groups.google.com/group/wave-protocol. We
>>> plan to move this community to the Apache Software Foundation =
incubator.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Core Developers =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> The initial committers comes from a variety of backgrounds and =
includes
>> many
>>> from Google. There are a few existing Apache committers amongst this
>> initial
>>> group.  We anticipate early future committers coming from places =
like
>>> Novell, SAP, companies related to the US Navy's usage of wave, =
startups
>> in
>>> the wave ecosystem, and many independent individuals.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Alignment =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> The developers of WIAB want to work with the Apache Software =
Foundation
>>> because Apache has proven to provide a strong foundation with good
>>> infrastructure and support for developing projects in an open =
community.
>> As
>>> WIAB continues to grow, the community will look to both reuse =
available
>>> Apache projects as well as look for opportunities to contribute back =
to
>> the
>>> larger Apache community.
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>>> =3D Known Risks =3D
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Orphaned products =3D=3D
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>>> Wave is a new means for communication, and thus it is still =
maturing.
>> While
>>> the initial implementation (Google Wave) did not gain sufficient =
traction
>>> for it to continue as a standalone Google product, there are other
>> related
>>> projects (e.g. Novell Vibe, SAP StreamWork), and several startups in =
the
>>> space that are continuing to build on the technology. In addition, =
the US
>>> Navy has contracted with four companies as part of evaluating using =
wave
>>> technology on every ship. The community itself is still growing, =
with
>>> several new contributors recently added.
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>>> =3D=3D Inexperience with Open Source =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> The initial committers have varying degrees of experience with open
>> source
>>> projects. Many from the community are familiar with open source.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Homogeneous Developers =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> The initial set of developers does include many from Google. =
However, the
>>> project has accepted many patches from independent individuals, and =
some
>>> have already gained committership. Several companies have expressed
>> interest
>>> and forty individuals participated in the Wave Summit.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Reliance on Salaried Developers =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> Following Google's change of focus for Wave in August, some of =
Wave's
>> Google
>>> developers have chosen to continue working on Wave, but it is =
imperative
>>> that we continue to grow the community larger in the coming months.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Relationships with Other Apache Products =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> We currently use the following libraries from Apache
>>> * Commons CLI
>>> * Commons Codec
>>> * Commons HttpClient
>>> * Commons Logging
>>> * Velocity
>>> * Ant
>>>=20
>>> We've also contributed the Wave Gadget implementation into the =
Apache
>>> Shindig project.
>>>=20
>>> =3D Documentation =3D
>>>=20
>>> Entry point for documentation of all the specs and designs.
>>> http://waveprotocol.org/
>>>=20
>>> Wave Robots API
>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/extensions/robots/
>>>=20
>>> Wave Gadgets API
>>> http://code.google.com/apis/wave/extensions/gadgets/guide.html
>>>=20
>>> =3D Initial Source =3D
>>>=20
>>> The initial source will come from
>>> http://code.google.com/p/wave-protocol/source/browse/. This consists =
of
>> the
>>> Java code necessary for the client and server. These are already =
open
>> source
>>> repositories licensed under the Apache Public License.
>>>=20
>>> =3D Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan =3D
>>>=20
>>> Beginning with the initial unveiling, Google published a liberal =
patent
>>> license:
>>>=20
>>> Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, Google and its
>>> affiliates hereby grant to you a perpetual, worldwide, =
non-exclusive,
>>> no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this =
License)
>>> patent license for patents necessarily infringed by implementation =
of
>> this
>>> specification. If you institute patent litigation against any entity
>>> (including a cross-claim or counterclaim in a lawsuit) alleging that =
the
>>> implementation of the specification constitutes direct or =
contributory
>>> patent infringement, then any patent licenses for the specification
>> granted
>>> to you under this License shall terminate as of the date such =
litigation
>> is
>>> filed.
>>>=20
>>> http://www.waveprotocol.org/patent-license
>>>=20
>>> =3D External Dependencies =3D
>>>=20
>>> In addition to the previously mentioned Apache dependencies, the =
initial
>>> code relies on the following libraries that have Apache compatible
>> licenses:
>>>=20
>>> antlr, aopalliance, asm, bouncycastle, cglib, dom4j, emma, gson, =
guava,
>>> guice, gwt, gxp, hamcrest, jackson, jdom, jetty, jline, jmock, =
joda_time,
>>> jsr305, junit, libidn, mockito, mongo-driver, oauth, protobuf,
>>> protobuf-format-java, protostuff, stringtemplate, websocket, whack, =
xpp3
>>>=20
>>> =3D Cryptography =3D
>>>=20
>>> We use standard crypto library methods available in java.security.*. =
Wave
>>> federation plans to uses encryption for sending deltas to remote =
Wave
>>> servers.
>>>=20
>>> =3D Required Resources =3D
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D  Mailing lists =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> * wave-dev
>>> * wave-commits
>>> * wave-private
>>>=20
>>> It is possible that if the project does grown to include many sub =
project
>>> that we would split the mailing list up by sub project.  Again we =
have
>>> flexibility.
>>>=20
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>>> =3D=3D Subversion Directory =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/wave
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Issue Tracking =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> Please help us setup a JIRA instance for both issue tracking and =
code
>>> review.
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Other Resources =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> * a wiki (for the sites pages) (
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/sites.html or a wiki
>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/)
>>> * code review on reviews.apache.org
>>> * a server to run a dogfood instance
>>> * continuous build bot
>>>=20
>>> =3D Initial Committers =3D
>>>=20
>>> * Alex North (Google)
>>> * Anthony Watkins (SESI)
>>> * Christian Ohler (Google)
>>> * Dan Danilatos (Google)
>>> * Dan Peterson (Google) / dpeterson@apache.org
>>> * David Hearnden (Google)
>>> * David Wang (Google)
>>> * Ian Roughley (Novell) / roughley@apache.org
>>> * James Purser
>>> * Joseph Gentle
>>> * Lennard de Rijk
>>> * Michael MacFadden (Solute)
>>> * Soren Lassen (Google)
>>> * Tad Glines
>>> * Torben Weis (University Duisburg-Essen)
>>>=20
>>> =3D Sponsors =3D
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Champion =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> * Paul Lindner
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Nominated Mentors =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> * Santiago Gala
>>> * Ben Laurie
>>> * Upayavira
>>> * Brian W. Fitzpatrick (emeritus on the Incubator PMC)
>>>=20
>>> =3D=3D Sponsoring Entity =3D=3D
>>>=20
>>> The Apache Incubator.
>>=20
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