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From James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>
Subject Re: [ISIS] Re: Conference call
Date Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:55:43 GMT
I'm just trying to make sure we do things the "Apache Way", since I'm
supposed to be a "mentor" for this project.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Siegfried Goeschl
<siegfried.goeschl@it20one.at> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> open source projects are done by individuals. And individuals like to
> communicate during long & lonely nights in front of the keyboard. And
> meeting the other ISIS developers is difficult since the are spread around
> the globe.
>
> So if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide to run a regular
> Skype meeting to meet each other electronically assuming
>
> +) that the meeting is announced on the dev list
>
> +) that we not exclude any interested party (apart from troll feeding)
>
> +) that no official statement/vote is circumvented
>
> than I don't see any good reason why someone could complain about it and/or
> impose rules how to organize such a "come together".
>
> Speaking as one of the participants
>
> +) I was impressed by Dan's energy to organize the meeting
>
> +) I was delighted that we were a dozen developers on Skype
>
> *) I was glad to answer a few questions about the ASF (despite being
> seriously distracted by my two daughters on my lap)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Siegfried Goeschl
> Apache ISIS Mentor
>
> On 11/19/10 10:52 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>
>>> A full transcription shouldn't be necessary.
>>
>> I agree. Transcript is too strong for what I think needs to be done,
>> which is...
>>
>>> Just bring a summary of
>>> discussion points back to the list, along with any recommendations.
>>> The list can then sort through it and make decisions.
>>
>> What you said. Not a transcript but a list of topics and discussion
>> points which continue on list.
>>
>> Craig
>>>
>>> We have off-list discussions all the time (IM, IRC, in-person). We
>>> don't transcribe those. We just bring the discussion onto the list for
>>> wrapping it up with everybody present. Skype concalls are no different
>>> than these other forums.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -g
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 13:18, Craig L Russell
>>> <craig.russell@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My $0.02:
>>>>
>>>> The business of Apache is conducted on email.
>>>>
>>>> It's fine to have a periodic conference call among interested project
>>>> participants, as long as (my list, not normative):
>>>>
>>>> no project or community member is excluded (e.g. by posting the call
>>>> information only to a private list)
>>>>
>>>> no decisions are made during the call
>>>>
>>>> all topics discussed are subsequently posted via email to the project
>>>> members
>>>>
>>>> Having an audio transcript is interesting but doesn't pass my email
>>>> test. So
>>>> I'd have to say that someone needs to transcribe the audio into email.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 19, 2010, at 9:29 AM, James Carman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about this. Whatever we do has to be trackable and
>>>>> "open", so I don't know about this Skype stuff. Requiring folks to
>>>>> watch a video or listen to an audio recording rather than reading a
>>>>> transcript is probably not a good idea. I'm copying the general list
>>>>> to see what others have to say.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Mohammad Nour El-Din
>>>>> <nour.mohammad@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good idea
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 on the Skype monthly meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Alexander Krasnukhin
>>>>>> <the.malkolm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least it makes me feel ISIS is really going somewhere. I don't
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> to explain this. E.g. there are some real ALIVE people involved
:).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monthly is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Mike Burton
>>>>>>> <mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes very useful interesting and enjoyable, thanks for organising
it.
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>> monthly similar would be good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19 Nov 2010, at 10:49, Dan Haywood <dkhaywood@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First off, thanks to all for attending, and I really
enjoyed the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> opportunity. Hope it was useful. It was nice, actually, to
read the
>>>>>>>> transcript on the Skype IM call afterwards (I didn't get
the oppo
>>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> while I was demo'ing).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Second, my apols that I didn't have the demo working.
Of course,
>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the call finished I figured out the problem in about 2 minutes.
>>>>>>>> At any
>>>>>>>> rate, the details on running the demo for yourselves are
on the
>>>>>>>> "SmokeTest"
>>>>>>>> page on the wiki [1].
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Third, per a recording, like Kevin I also recorded the
call using
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> CallGraph, though mine seems to have recorded ok. It's about
92Mb,
>>>>>>>> recorded it in stereo, and what Skype did is distribute the
voices
>>>>>>>> across
>>>>>>>> the spectrum, which I think is quite nice. Anyway, I've just
>>>>>>>> uploaded
>>>>>>>> it to
>>>>>>>> my dropbox account and I'll post the URL on isis-private.
(If you
>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>> subscribed there, contact me directly).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lastly, it'd be nice to do a similar call like that now
and
>>>>>>>>> again. We
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> could perhaps set one up every month, attendance purely optional.
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/ISIS/smoketest.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 18/11/2010 20:08, Kevin Meyer - KMZ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Dan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for organizing the call.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was not able to record the entire call - Of the
56 minutes
>>>>>>>>>> captured, a
>>>>>>>>>> lot of it is silence. I'm not sure if it is an issue
with the
>>>>>>>>>> app or
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks to all who participated, it was good
to be able to
>>>>>>>>>> associate voices with the emails.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Alexander
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> - Mohammad Nour
>>>>>> Author of (WebSphere Application Server Community Edition 2.0 User
>>>>>> Guide)
>>>>>> http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247585.html
>>>>>> - LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/mnour
>>>>>> - Blog: http://tadabborat.blogspot.com
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
>>>>>> moving"
>>>>>> - Albert Einstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Writing clean code is what you must do in order to call yourself
a
>>>>>> professional. There is no reasonable excuse for doing anything less
>>>>>> than your best."
>>>>>> - Clean Code: A Handbook of Agile Software Craftsmanship
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Stay hungry, stay foolish."
>>>>>> - Steve Jobs
>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>
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>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
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