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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:54:01 +0200
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Subject: Re: HISE community needs to grow
From: Rafal Rusin <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Glen Daniels <glen@thoughtcraft.com>
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Hello,

HISE community has voted new committer (+5 votes from PPMC members, +1
vote from Incubator PMC members).
So it seems like formally person is not committer. What can I do about it n=
ow?

On 27 September 2010 18:29, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM, William A. Rowe Jr.
> <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> To more or less quote Joe S on this subject ...
>
> The purpose of the incubation process is to support and supervise the
> podling *behaving like a PMC*.
>
> <end more or less quote/>
>
> Even though PPMC actions are formally nonbinding (with the exception
> of the current experiment), we want to encourage PPMCs to behave as if
> their votes counted, and indeed we hope to hardly ever be presented,
> as an incubator PMC, with a PPMC vote that we need to contradict. The
> situation at HISE is not good. Not just because a oversight might have
> left them with a one-person private list, but because, as a result,
> that podling PMC has most assuredly *not* been acting like a PMC in
> the area of recruiting and evaluating new contributors. I am happy to
> see that Glen is going to fix all this up, and I am left wondering if
> there are any other podlings with comparable problems.
>
>
>> On 9/27/2010 2:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>>
>>> But you're right that those votes have no formal value.
>>
>> I would disagree, if there were later discussion by the graduated projec=
t
>> (now consisting mostly of former PPMC folks), as a PMC chair I'd look ba=
ck
>> at the decision by the committee participants, not so much as the mentor=
/
>> supervisory votes. =C2=A0In terms of the long view of project history, t=
hose
>> votes have a critical value.
>>
>> And as a mentor, extraordinary circumstances would be needed for me to v=
ote
>> against the PPMC's direction - if something is wrong, I'm going to cajol=
e
>> an ASF-appropriate vote/discussion in the PPMC before the IPMC intervene=
s!
>> Forced-overrides already indicate a disfunctional/not-ready-to-graduate
>> podling.
>>
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Regards,
Rafa=C5=82 Rusin
http://rrusin.blogspot.com

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