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From Rafal Rusin <>
Subject Re: HISE community needs to grow
Date Sat, 23 Oct 2010 11:54:01 GMT

HISE community has voted new committer (+5 votes from PPMC members, +1
vote from Incubator PMC members).
So it seems like formally person is not committer. What can I do about it now?

On 27 September 2010 18:29, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:44 AM, William A. Rowe Jr.
> <> wrote:
> +1
> To more or less quote Joe S on this subject ...
> The purpose of the incubation process is to support and supervise the
> podling *behaving like a PMC*.
> <end more or less quote/>
> Even though PPMC actions are formally nonbinding (with the exception
> of the current experiment), we want to encourage PPMCs to behave as if
> their votes counted, and indeed we hope to hardly ever be presented,
> as an incubator PMC, with a PPMC vote that we need to contradict. The
> situation at HISE is not good. Not just because a oversight might have
> left them with a one-person private list, but because, as a result,
> that podling PMC has most assuredly *not* been acting like a PMC in
> the area of recruiting and evaluating new contributors. I am happy to
> see that Glen is going to fix all this up, and I am left wondering if
> there are any other podlings with comparable problems.
>> On 9/27/2010 2:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>> But you're right that those votes have no formal value.
>> I would disagree, if there were later discussion by the graduated project
>> (now consisting mostly of former PPMC folks), as a PMC chair I'd look back
>> at the decision by the committee participants, not so much as the mentor/
>> supervisory votes.  In terms of the long view of project history, those
>> votes have a critical value.
>> And as a mentor, extraordinary circumstances would be needed for me to vote
>> against the PPMC's direction - if something is wrong, I'm going to cajole
>> an ASF-appropriate vote/discussion in the PPMC before the IPMC intervenes!
>> Forced-overrides already indicate a disfunctional/not-ready-to-graduate
>> podling.
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