Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 71412 invoked from network); 16 Sep 2010 17:50:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 16 Sep 2010 17:50:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 97853 invoked by uid 500); 16 Sep 2010 17:50:41 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 97516 invoked by uid 500); 16 Sep 2010 17:50:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 97508 invoked by uid 99); 16 Sep 2010 17:50:40 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:50:40 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [148.87.113.121] (HELO rcsinet10.oracle.com) (148.87.113.121) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:50:31 +0000 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o8GHo8IK025583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:50:10 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o8GGFu3O019174 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:50:08 GMT Received: from abhmt009.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 603698731284659366; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:49:26 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (/69.181.138.81) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:49:22 -0700 Message-Id: From: Craig L Russell To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: <1282838994.1884.321.camel@X61s> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [VOTE] ALOIS to enter the incubator Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 10:49:20 -0700 References: <1282838994.1884.321.camel@X61s> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Hi Urs, My only concern is the request to have a chat channel. There's wide =20 use of chat channels in Apache (the periodic board and members' =20 meetings make use of them, and infrastructure uses channels to =20 advantage). But for an incubating project, I'd strongly discourage use of chat as =20= a communication channel. +1 Craig On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Urs Lerch wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to call a vote for accepting "ALOIS" for incubation in > the Apache Incubator. The full proposal is available below and on the > proposal wiki page (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/=20 > AloisProposal). We > ask the Incubator PMC to sponsor it, with Scott Deboy volunteering as > Champion and Mentor. Additional mentors are warmly welcome. > > Please cast your vote: > > [ ] +1, bring ALOIS into Incubator > [ ] +0, I don't care either way, > [ ] -1, do not bring ALOIS into Incubator, because... > > This vote will be open for 72 hours and only votes from the Incubator > PMC are binding. > > Thanks, > Urs > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > =3D Preface =3D > > ALOIS is a log collection and correlation software with reporting and > alarming functionalities. It has been implemented by the Swiss company > IMSEC for a customer about five years ago. GPL-licenced, implemented =20= > in > Ruby and completely based on other OSS-licensed components, it was > designed for the open source community right from the start. Now that > the software has shown its functioning over several years in =20 > production > with the one customer and one IMSEC-internal installation, it seems to > be the right time to open it to a wider community. > > > =3D Abstract =3D > > ALOIS stands for =84Advanced Logging and Intrusion Detection System=93 = and > is meant to be a fully implemented open source SIEM (security > information and event management) system. > > > =3D Proposal =3D > > While almost all other SIEM software, be it closed or open source, > concentrate on the technological part of security monitoring, ALOIS is > aimed to monitor the security of the content. It intends to be > pro-active in the detection of potential loss, theft, mistaken > modification or unauthorized access. ALOIS works on log messages and > thus contains all the basic functionality of a conventional SIEM, as > centralized collecting, normalizing, aggregation, analyzing and > correlating of all log messages, as well as reporting all security > related events. Therefore it can be used as any other SIEM. > > ALOIS consists of five modules interacting to ensure a scaleable > functionality of a SIEM: > > * Insink is the message sink, which is the receiving entry point for > all the different log messages into ALOIS. It is partly based on the > syslog-ng software. Insink listens for messages (UDP), waits for > messages (TCP), receives message collections (files, emails) and > pre-filters them to prevent from message flow overload. > > * Pumpy is the incoming FIFO buffer, implemented as a relational > database tables. which contain the incoming original messages (in raw > format). In a complex system setup, there may be several insink > instances, e.g. for a group of hosts, for specific types of =20 > messages, or > for high-avaliablity. > > * Prisma contains logic to split up the text of log messages into > separate fields, based on regular expressions. Actually, "prisma" is a > set of "prismi", each one prisma for one type of log message (apache, > cisco etc. Several prismi can be applied to the same message. This > allows for stacked messages, i.e. forwarded log messages contained in > compressed files contained in e-mail messages. The data retrieved form > the log messages is stored in a database called Dobby. Due to prisma > being written in Ruby, prismi can be applied interactively (when =20 > having > system access). > > * Dobby is the central log database. It should be separated from the > Pumpy database for availability and performance reasons. The current > implementation is based on MySQL. > > * The Analyzer contains the two sub-systems Lizard and Reptor. Lizard > is the analysis engine and user interface of ALOIS, implemented in =20 > Ruby > on Rails using AJAX. It allows for interactive browsing through the > collected data, exclusion/inclusion/selection of data, data sorting, > data filtering, creation of views, ad-hoc textual and graphical > reporting. Reptor allows for automatic activation of views and > comparison of these views' results to a predefined result (pattern > matching). In case of mismatch, Reptor sends the result to predefined > e-mail addresses. > > Its modular design guarantees ALOIS to scale from little to large > organizations. Since there exists a Debian package, it's easy to =20 > build a > test system or even a productive system for small environments. > > Although the software has been in productive use for a few years, =20 > there > is still a lot of desired functionality missing. The plugability of =20= > new > connected systems is given, but needs some revision. It is a given =20 > goal > of the project to allow modules in other programming language. > Furthermore, it has been discussed if parts of the existing > implementation may be replaced with other proven open source software, > e.g. the correlation engine or the web frontend. The other way =20 > round, it > has been discussed that the filter creation engine would make a good > tool for any kind of structured data, and thus could be separated from > ALOIS and standardized as a stand-alone tool. > > > =3D Background =3D > > It's not simple to know what happens in a bigger network. There's a > multitude of applications, services and appliances working together. > Many of them provide some kind of events or state information. The > network administrator needs to get hands on all of them. But they come > in many different flavors and multiple canals. Therefore, it's hard to > get the big picture. Furthermore, we have learned that it's impossible > to protect a system against all malicious attacks and to keep all the > possible faulty handling away. A monitoring of the systems to =20 > guarantee > a pro-active handling is therefore needed.. > > Therefore, more and more organizations collect and analyze all =20 > logfiles > in a centralized system, called a SIEM (security information and event > management). The technology provides two major functions for security > events from networks, systems and applications: log management and > compliance reporting (SIM =96 security information management) and > real-time monitoring and incident management (SEM =96 security event > management). > > > =3D Rationale =3D > > Why another security information and event management system? It's =20 > true, > there's already plenty of them. While the proprietary software is way > too expensive for smaller to mid-sized companies, we find that the =20 > open > source solutions are either too simple or not completely open. For > example, behind each of the well known systems =93OSSIM=94 and = =93Prelude=94, > there is a company that either closes central functionality for its =20= > own > business or has dual licensing and therefore asks the full copyright =20= > for > all contributed code. > > ALOIS is aimed to be totally free and open for all contributions. The > openness provided for other programming languages is certainly proof =20= > of > this. The plug-ability - yet to be further developed - is meant to > guarantee that individual needs can be realized without stressing the > whole system too much. In our opinion, the Linux kernel is a good > example that this can work very well. > > Since we are in accordance with =84the Apache way=93, we would be very > pleased if ALOIS could become part of the Apache community. In =20 > Addition, > the Apache Logging Services would be a perfect home for the software. > Furthermore, it's not the intention to compete with the already =20 > existing > log viewer and analyzing tool =84Chainsaw=93. Since Chainsaw is a =20 > relatively > easy tool, it meets a rather different need. Nevertheless, if the two > projects use synergies, both can profit. > > > =3D Initial Goals =3D > > When this project started ins 2005, there was no proven SIEM open =20 > source > software and the commercial tools were way too expensive for the =20 > needed > environment. Therefore, we decided together with a customer of ours to > implement an open source SIEM tool from scratch. Now the software has > run in a production environment for several years and has proven its > functionality and reliabilty. > > > =3D Current Status =3D > > =3D=3D Meritocracy =3D=3D > > As already mentioned, ALOIS is already in production use in two > organizations. All the code has been written by two persons of the =20 > same > company in a paid employment relationship. It is obvious that this is > way different from the open source approach within Apache. But > nevertheless, the two developers have always worked as a team and the > decisions were made in consensus whenever possible. But it is no =20 > secret, > that these developers have to learn to behave in an open community. > Understanding this potential problem, they already got support by a > freelance consulter, who has the corresponding experience and =20 > knowledge. > > =3D=3D Community =3D=3D > > Until today there is no real community, because the project hasn't =20 > been > published officially, although it had been completely published on the > web site for a couple of months (until a server relaunch). Convinced =20= > by > the concept and design of the software, we are open and hope to reach > many contributors and users. We think that it is realistic, because =20= > the > SIEM issue has yet not been resolved in the OSS space. > > =3D=3D Core Developers =3D=3D > > ALOIS was developed by Simon H=FCrliman and Flavio Pellanda, both =20 > employed > by the company IMSEC. Concerning Design and Architecture, Marcus > Holthaus, owner of IMSEC, gave his input as security specialist. Since > the beginning of this year, Urs Lerch, a doctorate on the subject of > commercial open source software development, supports the team with =20= > his > knowledge. Simon H=FCrlimann has left the company three years ago, but = =20 > is > still active in the OSS environment (although not for ALOIS). Current > employee Daniel Lutz (a Debian Developer) has also contributed to the > project. > > =3D=3D Alignment =3D=3D > > Besides that we strongly believe in the =84Apache way=93, we think = that > although that Apache hosts the Logging Services and different security > projects, there is a gap when it comes to a superordinate security =20 > view. > We therefore think it a good idea to add our SIEM project to the =20 > Apache > repository. On the other side, Apache would become an even more =20 > complete > software repository. > > > =3D Known Risks =3D > > =3D=3D Orphaned products =3D=3D > > Since the software is only maintained by employers of one company, =20 > there > is a severe risk of being orphaned. But, on the one hand, the company > has a sustained interest in keeping the project alive, because there =20= > are > plans to offer services on top of ALOIS, and IMSEC uses the software =20= > for > SIEM on their own systems. For this reason there exists a budget for =20= > the > development and support of ALOIS. On the other hand, we believe that > ALOIS is of great interest for other people and companies tied to IT > security. Therefore, our step to the Apache incubator is also a step =20= > to > a bigger community. > > =3D=3D Inexperience with Open Source =3D=3D > > While ALOIS has always been licenced under the GPL, access to the =20 > source > code, bug tracker and version control system has been restricted to > internal users for most of the time. But the company has a strong > believe in the open source movement and therefore engages its =20 > employees > to take part in the community. Furthermore, it is also a strategic > decision to build services on top of linux. > > We understand that the Apache Incubator is a great opportunity for =20 > us to > get assistance, when it comes to specific questions on the open source > development. Even more, the company has created a part time position =20= > for > the open source community work. > > =3D=3D Homogenous Developers =3D=3D > > Although ALOIS has been developed by employees of only one company, > there is a thorough openness. The company is designed to stay small =20= > and > therefore works with several independent partners. Furthermore, its > employees work in geographically different parts of the country. > Therefore, it is no new experience for the developers to work in a > distributed environment and argue rather than to command. Already =20 > today > the employees are enforced to document all face-to-face =20 > communication in > the internal wiki. Sketches are photographed and stored in the =20 > project's > digital folder. > > =3D=3D Reliance on Salaried Developers =3D=3D > > Until today all the development of ALOIS has been made in a paid > emplyoment. Therefore we know that this brings a significant danger. > Since it is our stated aim to encourage participation and recruit > commiters, we hope to eliminate this risk as soon as possible. > Furthermore, the employees of IMSEC are all open source enthusiasts =20= > and > are in one way or another active in the community. Although we have no > certainty, there is good indication that the current commiters would > continue their work on ALOIS, even if they wouldn't be paid for it. > > =3D=3D Relationships with Other Apache Products =3D=3D > > The Apache Logging Service would be a perfect home for ALOIS as a > centralized logging collection and analyzing tool. Furthermore, we =20 > think > that we could share part of the code with the Chainsaw subproject, =20 > since > both need similar functionality in the web frontend. Since it is our > statet aim to replace our own code with proofen open source libraries, > we are open for any collaboration with other projects. For example, =20= > the > replacement of the MySQL with a NoSQL database might be useful for > performance reasons; therefore HBase is a good candidate. > > =3D=3D An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand =3D=3D > > The Apache brand is in fact for its own a very good reason to join the > Incubator. But much more our desire to become part of the Apache > Incubator is our strong believe in open source software in general and > in the =84Apache way=93 in particular. We would love to learn from the > experience and knowledge of the foundation's members and participants, > which is an important part of the brand as well. The foundation has > shown many times, that it has the processes and people to succeed in > launching a project. We would be very proud to be part of this success > story. > > > =3D Documentation =3D > > The documentation is rather weak and scattered. It has mainly been > maintained on a wiki and is open to improvement. Since we are totally > aware that this is a killer for a successfull open source project, we > have already started an internal project with its own budget to =20 > improve > this shortcomming. Once the project has been launched, writing a =20 > blog or > open a forum are other possibilities we already thought of. > > Furthermore, as the employees are used to work in a geographycally > distributed environment, a lot of the internal communication happens =20= > in > a chat. Thus, opening a new chat channel for the community is =20 > scheduled. > (To document the discussions for all those who were off-line, we would > send the logs daily to the mailing list.) > > > =3D Initial Source =3D > > Although the initial source comes from a project for a customer. it =20= > has > an open source licence since the beginning. Therefore it doesn't have > any propriatary code in it. A thorough revision before releasing it =20= > to a > public repository is recommend and is also in planning. > > The initial source will be a snapshot of the version control system, > accompanied by a related debian package. > > > =3D Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan =3D > > ALOIS is currently under a GPL licence. Since there are only two > contributors so far, both from the same company, there is no problem =20= > to > re-licence the code and contribute it to Apache. The commitment of the > company's owner has been granted. > > > =3D External Dependencies =3D > > So far, no external dependencies are known. As mentioned before, a > thorough revision of the codebase is in planning. There it can be > controlled, that no other licence is affected by the code. > > > =3D Cryptography =3D > > ALOIS does not involve cryptographic code. > > > =3D Required Resources =3D > > =3D=3D Mailing lists =3D=3D > > The following mailing lists will be required: > > * alois-private > * alois-dev > * alois-commits > * alois-users > > =3D=3D Subversion Directory =3D=3D > > https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/alois > > =3D=3D Issue Tracking =3D=3D > > JIRA ALOIS (ALOIS) > > =3D=3D Other Resources =3D=3D > > We would like to open a chat channel. If this isn't possible within =20= > the > infrastructure of Apache, we would love to do this in our own already > existing infrastructure. > > > =3D Initial Commiters =3D > > * NAME EMAIL AFFILIATION =20= > CLA > * Flavio Pellanda flavio.pellanda at logintas dot ch IMSEC no > * Urs Lerch mail at ulerch dot net IMSEC no > * Daniel Lutz daniel.lutz at logintas dot ch IMSEC no > * Marcus Holthaus marcus.holthaus at imsec dot ch IMSEC no > > > =3D Sponsors =3D > > =3D=3D Champion =3D=3D > > * Scott Deboy > > =3D=3D Nominated Mentors =3D=3D > > * Scott Deboy > > =3D=3D Sponsoring Entity =3D=3D > > The Incubator PMC (requested) b Craig L Russell Architect, Oracle http://db.apache.org/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org