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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:24:54 -0400
Message-ID: <AANLkTim7NzJ+BLY8AtkR5ZmDUXHR+NZxr44VSqGJ_O3D@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL]
 Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
From: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
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The formation of your community is a BIG DEAL. Not something to
casually sweep under the rug.

Partitioning the community between users and devs makes it very
difficult to establish a large, viable, sustainable community.

If projects arrive at the Incubator with an already-built user
community, then sure. Create separate lists. But small communities
should (IMO) stick to a single dev@ list until you can't handle the
traffic any more. If you started elsewhere with two lists, but your
list traffic is still "small", then I would recommend combining them
when arriving at the Incubator.

It is obviously a call for each podling to make, so I'm simply
recommending that all podlings consider the impact of dividing your
community when you ask for separate dev/user lists. I believe it is
rarely appropriate.

Cheers,
-g

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 04:42, Robert Matthews
<rmatthews@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
> I'm with James on this one. =A0Many good points have been made on this,
> but we do have bigger things to worry about.
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 08:06 -0400, James Carman wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood
>> <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > For the moment at least the dev community is more active (or at least =
more
>> > vocal), so their mailing list should be the main focal point. =A0As I =
said in
>> > the other email, when we have more user traffic than dev traffic, then
>> > we can vote to split them out.
>> >
>>
>> Why are we even having this discussion? =A0When did mailing lists become
>> such a heavyweight operation that we have to discuss at length whether
>> they should even exist? =A0Just create the user/dev/commits/issues lists
>> and be done with it. =A0If nobody uses the user list, so be it. =A0I thi=
nk
>> it's just more confusing to start moving traffic from one list to
>> another. =A0Keep things consistent.
>>
>> > And another benefit of putting user traffic on the dev list is that
>> > it'll give the devs exposure to any probs that regular users are havin=
g with
>> > actually using the framework (ie so we can mature its documentation et=
c)
>> >
>>
>> The developers should be "listening" to the user list so that they can
>> answer questions. =A0They can't just hide in the dev list and not listen
>> to the community.
>>
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