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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:33:27 +0100
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Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL]
 Kitty to Enter the Incubator)
From: dan haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
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On 8 September 2010 12:16, James Carman <james@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:

> Isn't Isis a different bird though?  It has been around for a long time and
> is likely to actually have existing users
>

It has some, but not enough to be sustainable.  Hence entry into
the incubator to build both its user and developer communities.

I think that for the foreseeable any new users we attract are likely to be
early adopters, with a better than average chance of getting interested in
contributing.  One of the internal milestones for us ought to be when we get
to the point that we vote it would be beneficial to split off a -user from
-dev... that would be an indicator that we have enough "just users", and are
moving into the early majority stage.

There's another thing here too.. activity on the mailing list (even if its
just the devs exchanging ideas) will give would-be users a sense that
interesting things are happening.  In contrast, a very quiet users list
(which I think it would be) would be a turn-off.

So my vote is just a dev mailnig list for now.


>
> On Sep 8, 2010 7:04 AM, "Benson Margulies" <bimargulies@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, we could neglect to tell anyone about the user list until we need
> it.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Dan Haywood <dkhaywood@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Isis mentors:
> >> Given we're in the same situation and are still being bootstrapped,
> should
> >> we follow this advice, ie start off with a combined mailing list for
> -dev
> >> and -user?
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/09/2010 08:10, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein<gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 20:29, Matthew Sacks<matthew@matthewsacks.com
> >>>> >wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>> *Mailing Lists*
> >>>>>
> >>>>> kitty-dev
> >>>>> kitty-commits
> >>>>> kitty-user
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a large user community already? If not, then splitting the
> >>>> community across dev/user does not make sense. You want to keep the
> users
> >>>> and developers on the same mailing list until one starts to overwhelm
> the
> >>>> other. By partitioning the lists too early, you risk never reaching
> >>>> "critical mass" on *either* mailing list.
> >>>>
> >>> This is actually great advice, and I wish we'd done this with a couple
> >>> of podlings that are currently too small to graduate.
> >>>
> >>> In retrospect empire-db and etch really could have done without the
> >>> user- list IMO.
> >>>
> >>> Martijn
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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