Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 42400 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2010 08:43:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 9 Sep 2010 08:43:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 66178 invoked by uid 500); 9 Sep 2010 08:43:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 65509 invoked by uid 500); 9 Sep 2010 08:43:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 65501 invoked by uid 99); 9 Sep 2010 08:43:16 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:43:16 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [212.227.17.9] (HELO moutng.kundenserver.de) (212.227.17.9) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 08:43:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.41] (87.114.120.17.plusnet.thn-ag2.dyn.plus.net [87.114.120.17]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M2HkO-1Od3It3wOa-00sdQZ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 10:42:44 +0200 Subject: Re: No dev-, user- lists for small podlings (was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Kitty to Enter the Incubator) From: Robert Matthews To: general@incubator.apache.org In-Reply-To: References: <4C873855.5030102@gmail.com> <1283944783.2007.3.camel@rcm-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 09:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1284021763.1900.22.camel@rcm-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:w2UoFrBu/R/1SDhEgtzHFfOeuSlTNZlDp8nQQxH/CPg K5hCSRFDMFKJbfLPSr60EuK9Y98WUNfvaSxDw4U2I4ejZmSDBp r3TziebQC7dtBHxXCcVlfICVlZNxZoc7M5h8X+ACdx+ZY4DA2n 1U2u0pH+r2PMg5pjWxy+jsIvqsww+XHE9YpG2Oq6kcYYV2z82e jmxjOA8P4J+Ku2K7hds1l6ateedkudrnIFc+/YWFgI= I'm with James on this one. Many good points have been made on this, but we do have bigger things to worry about. On Wed, 2010-09-08 at 08:06 -0400, James Carman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:39 AM, dan haywood > wrote: > > > > For the moment at least the dev community is more active (or at least more > > vocal), so their mailing list should be the main focal point. As I said in > > the other email, when we have more user traffic than dev traffic, then > > we can vote to split them out. > > > > Why are we even having this discussion? When did mailing lists become > such a heavyweight operation that we have to discuss at length whether > they should even exist? Just create the user/dev/commits/issues lists > and be done with it. If nobody uses the user list, so be it. I think > it's just more confusing to start moving traffic from one list to > another. Keep things consistent. > > > And another benefit of putting user traffic on the dev list is that > > it'll give the devs exposure to any probs that regular users are having with > > actually using the framework (ie so we can mature its documentation etc) > > > > The developers should be "listening" to the user list so that they can > answer questions. They can't just hide in the dev list and not listen > to the community. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org