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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: HISE community needs to grow
Date Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:08:20 GMT
----- Original Message ----

> From: Glen Daniels <glen@thoughtcraft.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; matthieu.riou@gmail.com; Paul Fremantle 
><pzfreo@gmail.com>
> Sent: Sun, September 26, 2010 1:03:40 PM
> Subject: Re: HISE community needs to grow
> 
> Hey y'all:
> 
> From my POV, I signed up as a mentor for this project but  haven't really been
> involved - I'm pretty sure this is true for Paul as  well.  Matthieu was
> initially doing good stuff (ODE was the original  sponsoring project), but
> doesn't seem to have been engaged for months now  either.  I just got on the
> private list last night, actually, so I guess  that list had only Matthieu on
> it up until now?

Looks that way to me.

> 
> There is clearly some  stuff that needs fixing here, and it's on Matthieu,
> Paul, and myself to  either make this happen, or find other mentors that will.
>  At the least -  Rafal, and all the other original committers, should be on
> the PPMC.   The project page should be updated.  Is there anything else that
> needs  doing immediately?
> 
> I'll take a crack at updating the project page with  the current status, and
> making sure the committers/initial PPMC members are  in fact subscribed to the
> private list.  Question - process-wise, is it  OK for me to simply bulk
> subscribe the original committers to the private  list (I'm assuming I have
> ezmlm karma to do that) since they should have been  there already, or should
> I mail them and ask them to subscribe  themselves?

Either approach is fine IMO.  Thanks for getting on top of this.

> 
> Thanks,
> --Glen
> 
> On 9/25/2010 10:26 PM, Joe Schaefer  wrote:
> > Give Matthew Riou and Glen Daniels time to reply before
> >  "fixing" this please.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original  Message ----
> >> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>  Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:24:58 PM
> >> Subject: Re: HISE  community needs to grow
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:22  PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
 
> > wrote:
> >>> NFI.  Not something I would've  done.
> >>
> >> So my view is that  the vote to establish the  podling, accepting the
> >> proposal that is sitting on  the Wiki,  convened that group as the
> >> initial PPMC. Oh fellow integrator  PMC  members, do we need another
> >> vote to fix this, or can  someone just   repair?
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  ----- Original Message  ----
> >>>> From: Benson Margulies  <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>>>   To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>   Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:20:23 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re:  HISE  community needs to grow
> >>>>
> >>>> On  Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:06  PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> >>>   wrote:
> >>>>> None of the committers on hise are on the  private list.    It's
> >>>>> manned by 2 mentors  only.
> >>>>
> >>>>   Joe,
> >>>>
> >>>> How did that happen?  I  thought that the initial  PPMC was always loaded
> >>>> with  the initial non-mentor  committers.  Shouldn't all of the  
following
> >>>> people from the original proposal  be   loaded onto private and declared
> >>>> the PPMC   retroactively?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jakub  Kurlenda  <jkr@touk.pl>
> >>>> Mateusz  Lipczyński  <mlp@touk.pl>
> >>>> Michał  Zalewski <mzl@touk.pl>
> >>>> Rafał Rusin  <rr@apache.org>
> >>>> Ula  Trzaskowska  <utr@touk.pl>
> >>>> Warren  Crossing <wcr@touk.pl>
> >>>> Witek Wołejszo  <ww@touk.pl>
> >>>>
> >>>>   --benson
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   That  should be fixed asap-  you've
> >>>>> personally  done more than enough work on  hise to be on  the  pmc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>   >
> >>>>> ----- Original  Message  ----
> >>>>>> From:  Rafal Rusin <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
> >>>>   >>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>>>   >>  Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 9:56:41  PM
> >>>>>>  Subject: Re: HISE  community needs to  grow
> >>>>>>
> >>>>  >> On 25  September 2010 18:47,  Benson Margulies 
<bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>  >> >   Rafal,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Your  message  doesn't make sense to me. 'blind'? All the
 PPMC 
> > members
> >>>>  >> > of the  project  should be on the hise-private mailing
list,  and  
> >>  should
> >>>>>>>  be involved in the discussion about  a proposed  new committer.
 Once 

> >>  the
> >>>>>>> PPMC decides that they want  to add a  committer, a vote
then  has  to 

> >>  run
> >>>>>>> on the  incubator PMC list (except for  those  podlings
in Joe  S's
> >>>>>>  >  experiment) to get formal approval.  Typically, as I
understand it,  
>
> >> the
> >>>>>>> PPMC votes to go ahead  and  ask for an Incubator  PMC 
 vote.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does  HISE   distinguish podling committers from PPMC  
members?
> >>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>  > Note that I am not subscribed to any  hise- lists  so
 this message 
> >>  will
> >>>>>>> go into moderation   there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>   >   --benson
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  Yes, HISE distinguishes PPMC  members from   committers.
> >>>>>> The  problem is that for  example  I am a committer, not  PPMC
member  
>and
> >>>>>> I don't  have access  to hise-private  (that's why  I've sent
blind
> >>>>>> request  there  to  start vote). On the other hand, we  have
no  
>response
> >>>>>>  from existing PPMC    members.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On  Sat,  Sep 25, 2010  at 9:42 PM, Rafal  Rusin 
> > <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
> >>>>   >  wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 25 September 2010  17:57, Luciano  Resende <luckbr1975@gmail.com>
> >>>>   wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:36 PM,  Rafal  Rusin 
> >> <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
> >>>>   >>wrote:
> >>>>>>  >>>>  Hello,
> >>>>  >>  >>>>
> >>>>>>  >>>> I   submitted a  month ago blind request to
hise-private to start 

> >>  vote
> >>>>  to
> >>>>>>>>>>  make Paweł Byszewski a committer. Since  
then, I haven't  got  
any
> >>>>>>>>>>   response.
> >>>>>>  >>>> Since HISE  committers   community needs to
grow, I'm asking   
for
> >>>>>>>>>>  potential new   mentors willing to join  hise-private
list in  
HISE
> >>>>  >> >>>> project     (http://incubator.apache.org/hise/).
> >>>>>>   >>>
> >>>>>>  >>> Any reason  for  no votes from  any of the existent
committers ? 
>The
> >>>>  Hise
> >>>>>>  >>>  project page mentions  7 existent committers
 [1].
> >>>>  >>  >>>
> >>>>>>>>>     http://incubator.apache.org/projects/hise.html
> >>>>>>   >>
> >>>>>>  >> This is  good question.  As I understand  procedure
for   
nominating
> >>>>>>>> committers  for   podlings, blind request to  hise-private
needs to  
>be
> >>>>>>  >> sent and  then mentors  decide  during voting. Existing
committers  

> >>  don't
> >>>>>>>> play  role here.  That's why  we haven't  started any
voting on 
> >>  hise-dev.
> >>>>>>  >>
> >>>>   >>  >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>    >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>  Currently  we have 3  candidates to  vote (Piotr
Zagórski,   Paweł
> >>>>>>  >>>> Byszewski, Michał   Więcław), who made
substantial   contributions 
>
> >>  to
> >>> the
> >>>>>>  >>>>   project.
> >>>>>>>>>> We also  have a fresh  new   candidate Akhilesh
Singh, who 
currently
> >>>>  made
> >>>>>>  >>>> 4  committed  patches and looks very promising
to become   new
> >>>  committer.
> >>>>>>   >>>>
> >>>>  >>  >>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'd recommend     discussing personnel related stuff
in the private 
> >  AT
> >>>>>>  >>>  incubator  DOT  apache DOT org
> >>>>>>   >>
> >>>>>>>> OK,    thanks.
> >>>>>>   >>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>     >>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>   >>>  --
> >>>>>>  >>> Luciano  Resende
> >>>>  >> >>>    http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> >>>>>>   >>>    http://twitter.com/lresende1975
> >>>>>>>>>      http://lresende.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>   >> >>>    
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> >>>>>>   >>
> >>>>>>>>    --
> >>>>>>>>   Regards,
> >>>>>>>> Rafał  Rusin
> >>>>>>   >>   http://rrusin.blogspot.com
> >>>>>>>>
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