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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: HISE community needs to grow
Date Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:32:06 GMT
It's not a policy question.  Mentors have some discretion
in how they organize a community initially.  This is probably
just some oversight in that process.  It'll get sorted eventually,
but the ASF doesn't operate on instantaneous timetables.




----- Original Message ----
> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:30:02 PM
> Subject: Re: HISE community needs to grow
> 
> Certainly. I didn't mean to imply any sort of instant action, I was
> just  trying to clarify the policy question.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:26 PM,  Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>  
>wrote:
> > Give Matthew Riou and Glen Daniels time to reply before
> >  "fixing" this please.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original  Message ----
> >> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>  Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:24:58 PM
> >> Subject: Re: HISE  community needs to grow
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:22  PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> >  wrote:
> >> > NFI.  Not something I would've  done.
> >>
> >> So my view is that  the vote to establish the  podling, accepting the
> >> proposal that is sitting on  the Wiki,  convened that group as the
> >> initial PPMC. Oh fellow integrator PMC   members, do we need another
> >> vote to fix this, or can someone just   repair?
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>  >
> >> > ----- Original Message  ----
> >> >> From:  Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>  >>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>  >>  Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:20:23 PM
> >> >>  Subject: Re: HISE  community needs to grow
> >> >>
> >>  >> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:06  PM, Joe Schaefer 
<joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> >>  >  wrote:
> >> >> > None of the committers on hise are on the  private list.    It's
> >> >> > manned by 2 mentors  only.
> >> >>
> >> >>  Joe,
> >>  >>
> >> >> How did that happen?  I thought that the initial   PPMC was always

loaded
> >> >> with the initial non-mentor   committers.  Shouldn't all of the 
following
> >> >> people from  the original proposal  be  loaded onto private and declared
> >> >>  the PPMC  retroactively?
> >> >>
> >> >> Jakub   Kurlenda <jkr@touk.pl>
> >> >> Mateusz  Lipczyński  <mlp@touk.pl>
> >> >> Michał  Zalewski <mzl@touk.pl>
> >> >> Rafał Rusin  <rr@apache.org>
> >> >> Ula  Trzaskowska  <utr@touk.pl>
> >> >> Warren  Crossing <wcr@touk.pl>
> >> >> Witek  Wołejszo <ww@touk.pl>
> >> >>
> >>  >>  --benson
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>  >>  That  should be fixed asap-  you've
> >> >> >  personally done more than enough work on  hise to be on  the
pmc.
> >>  >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >>  >>  >
> >> >> > ----- Original  Message  ----
> >> >> >> From:  Rafal Rusin <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
> >>  >>  >>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>  >>  >>  Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 9:56:41 PM
> >>  >> >>  Subject: Re: HISE  community needs to grow
> >>  >> >>
> >> >>  >> On 25 September 2010 18:47,   Benson Margulies 
><bimargulies@gmail.com>
> >>  >>wrote:
> >> >>  >> >  Rafal,
> >> >>  >> >
> >> >> >> > Your  message  doesn't make  sense to me. 'blind'? All
the  PPMC
> > members
> >> >>   >> > of the  project should be on the hise-private mailing
list,   and
> >>should
> >> >> >> >  be involved in the  discussion about a proposed  new
committer. 
> Once
> >> the
> >>  >> >> > PPMC decides that they want  to add a committer, a vote
 then  has 
> to
> >>run
> >> >> >> > on the   incubator PMC list (except for those  podlings
in Joe  S's
> >> >>  >>  > experiment) to get formal approval.  Typically, as
I understand  
>it,
> >> the
> >> >> >> > PPMC votes to go ahead  and  ask for an Incubator  PMC
 vote.
> >> >> >>  >
> >> >> >> > Does HISE   distinguish podling  committers from PPMC
 members?
> >> >> >>  >
> >>  >> >>  > Note that I am not subscribed to any hise- lists  so
  this 
>message
> >> will
> >> >> >> > go into  moderation  there.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >>  >>  >   --benson
> >> >> >>
> >> >>  >> Yes, HISE distinguishes PPMC  members from  committers.
> >>  >> >> The  problem is that for example  I am a committer, not 
PPMC  member 
>and
> >> >> >> I don't  have access  to hise-private  (that's why  I've sent
blind
> >> >> >> request there  to   start vote). On the other hand, we  have
no 
>response
> >> >>  >>  from existing PPMC   members.
> >> >>  >>
> >> >> >>  >
> >> >> >>  >
> >> >> >> > On Sat,  Sep 25, 2010  at 9:42 PM, Rafal   Rusin
> > <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
> >>  >>  >  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 25 September  2010 17:57, Luciano  Resende 
><luckbr1975@gmail.com>
> >>  >>  wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010  at 3:36 PM, Rafal  Rusin
> >> <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
> >>  >>  >>wrote:
> >> >> >>  >>>>  Hello,
> >> >>  >> >>>>
> >> >>  >>  >>>> I  submitted a  month ago blind request
to  hise-private to 
>start
> >> vote
> >> >>  to
> >>  >> >> >>>> make Paweł Byszewski a committer. Since
   then, I haven't  got 
>any
> >> >> >> >>>>   response.
> >> >> >>  >>>> Since HISE committers    community needs
to grow, I'm asking 
> for
> >> >> >>  >>>>  potential new  mentors willing to join
 hise-private list in  
>HISE
> >> >>  >> >>>> project     (http://incubator.apache.org/hise/).
> >> >> >>   >>>
> >> >> >>  >>> Any reason  for no  votes from  any of the existent
committers ? 
>The
> >>  >>Hise
> >> >> >>  >>>  project page mentions  7 existent committers
 [1].
> >> >>  >>  >>>
> >> >> >> >>>     http://incubator.apache.org/projects/hise.html
> >> >> >>   >>
> >> >> >>  >> This is  good question. As I  understand  procedure
for 
> nominating
> >> >> >> >>  committers  for  podlings, blind request to  hise-private
needs to  
>be
> >> >> >>  >> sent and  then mentors decide  during  voting. Existing

committers
> >>don't
> >> >> >>  >> play  role here.  That's why we haven't  started
any voting  on
> >> hise-dev.
> >> >> >>  >>
> >>  >>  >> >>
> >> >> >>  >>>
> >> >> >>   >>>>
> >>  >> >> >>>>  Currently we have 3  candidates to  vote
 (Piotr Zagórski, 
> Paweł
> >> >> >>  >>>>  Byszewski, Michał  Więcław), who made
substantial    
>contributions
> >>to
> >> > the
> >> >> >>   >>>>  project.
> >> >> >> >>>> We  also  have a fresh new   candidate Akhilesh
Singh, who 
>currently
> >>  >> made
> >> >> >>  >>>> 4  committed  patches and looks very promising
to become   new
> >> >  committer.
> >> >> >>  >>>>
> >> >>   >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> I'd recommend     discussing personnel related
stuff in the 
>private
> > AT
> >>  >> >>  >>>  incubator  DOT apache DOT org
> >>  >> >>  >>
> >> >> >> >> OK,    thanks.
> >> >> >>  >>
> >> >> >>  >>>
> >> >> >>   >>>
> >> >>  >> >>>
> >> >> >>  >>>   --
> >> >> >>  >>> Luciano Resende
> >>  >>  >> >>>   http://people.apache.org/~lresende
> >>  >> >>  >>>   http://twitter.com/lresende1975
> >>  >> >> >>>    http://lresende.blogspot.com/
> >>  >> >> >>>
> >> >>  >>  >>>
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> >> >>  >> >>   --
> >> >> >> >>   Regards,
> >> >> >> >> Rafał Rusin
> >>  >> >>   >>  http://rrusin.blogspot.com
> >> >>  >> >>
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> >> >> >>   Regards,
> >> >> >> Rafał Rusin
> >> >>  >> http://rrusin.blogspot.com
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