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From Glen Daniels <g...@thoughtcraft.com>
Subject Re: HISE community needs to grow
Date Sun, 26 Sep 2010 17:03:40 GMT
Hey y'all:

>From my POV, I signed up as a mentor for this project but haven't really been
involved - I'm pretty sure this is true for Paul as well.  Matthieu was
initially doing good stuff (ODE was the original sponsoring project), but
doesn't seem to have been engaged for months now either.  I just got on the
private list last night, actually, so I guess that list had only Matthieu on
it up until now?

There is clearly some stuff that needs fixing here, and it's on Matthieu,
Paul, and myself to either make this happen, or find other mentors that will.
 At the least - Rafal, and all the other original committers, should be on
the PPMC.  The project page should be updated.  Is there anything else that
needs doing immediately?

I'll take a crack at updating the project page with the current status, and
making sure the committers/initial PPMC members are in fact subscribed to the
private list.  Question - process-wise, is it OK for me to simply bulk
subscribe the original committers to the private list (I'm assuming I have
ezmlm karma to do that) since they should have been there already, or should
I mail them and ask them to subscribe themselves?

Thanks,
--Glen

On 9/25/2010 10:26 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Give Matthew Riou and Glen Daniels time to reply before
> "fixing" this please.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:24:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: HISE community needs to grow
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>>> NFI.  Not something I would've done.
>>
>> So my view is that  the vote to establish the podling, accepting the
>> proposal that is sitting on  the Wiki, convened that group as the
>> initial PPMC. Oh fellow integrator PMC  members, do we need another
>> vote to fix this, or can someone just  repair?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message  ----
>>>> From: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
>>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>  Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:20:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: HISE  community needs to grow
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:06  PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>> None of the committers on hise are on the private list.    It's
>>>>> manned by 2 mentors only.
>>>>
>>>>  Joe,
>>>>
>>>> How did that happen?  I thought that the initial  PPMC was always loaded
>>>> with the initial non-mentor  committers.  Shouldn't all of the following
>>>> people from the original proposal  be  loaded onto private and declared
>>>> the PPMC  retroactively?
>>>>
>>>> Jakub  Kurlenda <jkr@touk.pl>
>>>> Mateusz Lipczyński  <mlp@touk.pl>
>>>> Michał Zalewski <mzl@touk.pl>
>>>> Rafał Rusin <rr@apache.org>
>>>> Ula Trzaskowska  <utr@touk.pl>
>>>> Warren Crossing <wcr@touk.pl>
>>>> Witek Wołejszo <ww@touk.pl>
>>>>
>>>>  --benson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  That  should be fixed asap-  you've
>>>>> personally done more than enough work on  hise to be on  the pmc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  >
>>>>> ----- Original  Message ----
>>>>>> From:  Rafal Rusin <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
>>>>  >>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>  >>  Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 9:56:41 PM
>>>>>>  Subject: Re: HISE  community needs to grow
>>>>>>
>>>>  >> On 25 September 2010 18:47,  Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>  >> >  Rafal,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your  message  doesn't make sense to me. 'blind'? All the  PPMC

> members
>>>>  >> > of the  project should be on the hise-private mailing list,
 and  
>> should
>>>>>>>  be involved in the discussion about a proposed  new committer.
 Once 
>> the
>>>>>>> PPMC decides that they want  to add a committer, a vote then
 has  to 
>> run
>>>>>>> on the  incubator PMC list (except for those  podlings in Joe
 S's
>>>>>>  > experiment) to get formal approval.  Typically, as I understand
it,  
>> the
>>>>>>> PPMC votes to go ahead and  ask for an Incubator  PMC  vote.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does HISE   distinguish podling committers from PPMC  members?
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > Note that I am not subscribed to any hise- lists  so  this
message 
>> will
>>>>>>> go into moderation  there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >   --benson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, HISE distinguishes PPMC  members from  committers.
>>>>>> The  problem is that for example  I am a committer, not  PPMC member
and
>>>>>> I don't  have access  to hise-private (that's why  I've sent blind
>>>>>> request there  to  start vote). On the other hand, we  have no response
>>>>>>  from existing PPMC   members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat,  Sep 25, 2010  at 9:42 PM, Rafal  Rusin 
> <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
>>>>  >  wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25 September 2010 17:57, Luciano  Resende <luckbr1975@gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Rafal  Rusin 
>> <rafal.rusin@gmail.com>
>>>>  >>wrote:
>>>>>>  >>>> Hello,
>>>>  >> >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>> I  submitted a  month ago blind request to hise-private
to start 
>> vote
>>>>  to
>>>>>>>>>> make Paweł Byszewski a committer. Since   then,
I haven't  got any
>>>>>>>>>>  response.
>>>>>>  >>>> Since HISE committers   community needs to grow,
I'm asking  for
>>>>>>>>>>  potential new  mentors willing to join  hise-private
list in HISE
>>>>  >> >>>> project    (http://incubator.apache.org/hise/).
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>> Any reason  for no votes from  any of the existent
committers ? The
>>>> Hise
>>>>>>  >>>  project page mentions 7 existent committers  [1].
>>>>  >> >>>
>>>>>>>>>    http://incubator.apache.org/projects/hise.html
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>  >> This is  good question. As I understand  procedure for
 nominating
>>>>>>>> committers  for  podlings, blind request to  hise-private
needs to be
>>>>>>  >> sent and  then mentors decide  during voting. Existing
committers  
>> don't
>>>>>>>> play  role here.  That's why we haven't  started any voting
on 
>> hise-dev.
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>  >> >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Currently we have 3  candidates to  vote (Piotr
Zagórski,  Paweł
>>>>>>  >>>> Byszewski, Michał  Więcław), who made substantial
  contributions 
>> to
>>> the
>>>>>>  >>>>  project.
>>>>>>>>>> We also  have a fresh new   candidate Akhilesh Singh,
who currently
>>>> made
>>>>>>  >>>> 4  committed patches and looks very promising to
become   new
>>> committer.
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >> >>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd recommend    discussing personnel related stuff in
the private 
> AT
>>>>>>  >>>  incubator  DOT apache DOT org
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>> OK,   thanks.
>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>  --
>>>>>>  >>> Luciano Resende
>>>>  >> >>>   http://people.apache.org/~lresende
>>>>>>  >>>   http://twitter.com/lresende1975
>>>>>>>>>    http://lresende.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>  >>
>>>>>>>>   --
>>>>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>>>>> Rafał Rusin
>>>>>>   >>  http://rrusin.blogspot.com
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