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From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:30:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Future of RAT
Thread-Topic: Future of RAT
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Hi Guys,

>> [...]
>> So yes, development activity is low.
>>=20
>> OTOH patches get applied and releases are made if there is anything to
>> fix. =A0I'm sure we could have gotten more people to vote if it had been
>> necessary on the last release, it just wasn't necessary so people
>> preferred to work on other things rather than checking releases.
>=20
> Right. it is being properly managed.
>=20
> Just like the Apache Tcl TLP. And Apache Excalibur. And Apache Perl.
> ... could probably find a few more low-activity TLPs, but I believe
> you see my point. It isn't about activity either. It is about whether
> you have eyeballs on the community and the codebase.

Right. And if RAT is thinking about taking the next out of the Incubator
(i.e., graduation there are only 2 options):

* graduate into a TLP
* graduate into a sub-project of another TLP

IMHO, graduation by its nature means that the community/project are capable
of self-governance and trained in "the Apache way". I think RAT fits that
bill. My concerns about RAT being a sub project of Apache Foo is that we ad=
d
more sub-projects to Apache Foo. Though by itself this doesn't indicate
"umbrella", I've seen a movement towards establishing TLPs so that those
doing the work can sit on the PMC, have binding votes on releases, etc.
Adding RAT to Apache Foo may lead to Apache Foo PMC members holding the
binding votes, which I'm not sure is a) good, or b) something that
elucidates self-governance.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: Chris.Mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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