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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:02:07 -0400
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Subject: Re: Future of RAT
From: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 15:30, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
>>> [...]
>>> So yes, development activity is low.
>>>
>>> OTOH patches get applied and releases are made if there is anything to
>>> fix. =A0I'm sure we could have gotten more people to vote if it had bee=
n
>>> necessary on the last release, it just wasn't necessary so people
>>> preferred to work on other things rather than checking releases.
>>
>> Right. it is being properly managed.
>>
>> Just like the Apache Tcl TLP. And Apache Excalibur. And Apache Perl.
>> ... could probably find a few more low-activity TLPs, but I believe
>> you see my point. It isn't about activity either. It is about whether
>> you have eyeballs on the community and the codebase.
>
> Right. And if RAT is thinking about taking the next out of the Incubator
> (i.e., graduation there are only 2 options):
>
> * graduate into a TLP
> * graduate into a sub-project of another TLP
>
> IMHO, graduation by its nature means that the community/project are capab=
le
> of self-governance and trained in "the Apache way". I think RAT fits that
> bill. My concerns about RAT being a sub project of Apache Foo is that we =
add
> more sub-projects to Apache Foo. Though by itself this doesn't indicate
> "umbrella", I've seen a movement towards establishing TLPs so that those
> doing the work can sit on the PMC, have binding votes on releases, etc.
> Adding RAT to Apache Foo may lead to Apache Foo PMC members holding the
> binding votes, which I'm not sure is a) good, or b) something that
> elucidates self-governance.

Exactly why I've been advocating graduation to its own TLP, despite
its "size" or "activity".

Cheers,
-g

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