Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 74901 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2010 10:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 17 Aug 2010 10:03:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 24240 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2010 10:03:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24071 invoked by uid 500); 17 Aug 2010 10:03:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24063 invoked by uid 99); 17 Aug 2010 10:03:15 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:03:15 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.6 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [129.67.1.165] (HELO relay1.mail.ox.ac.uk) (129.67.1.165) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:02:50 +0000 Received: from smtp0.mail.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.205]) by relay1.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OlJ02-0000tL-4J for general@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:02:30 +0100 Received: from oucs-sander2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.100.150]) by smtp0.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OlJ02-0002r3-0Q for general@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:02:30 +0100 Message-ID: <4C6A5E37.5050902@apache.org> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:02:31 +0100 From: Ross Gardler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100711 Thunderbird/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: RAT can be dangerous References: <4B7AFEB8-13A0-4C4F-923A-52F1FFE62438@apache.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Oxford-Username: oucs0040 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 17/08/2010 10:15, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > Ross, while I understand the "All it does" part I don't get the > "dangerous" part. There have been a number of people who have stated things like (paraphrasing) "IP management issues have largely gone away now we have RAT". I'm sure the statements are not intended to read like that, but for the uninitiated they do. I'm worried that people might start thinking running RAT on code is a substitute for doing a proper license audit. > I think noone has ever announced RAT as a solution. Not announced, but it has recently been scattered in many different threads here. Most recently by our VP in the "radical" thread. As I say above I'm sure it was unintentional, I'm just highlighting a meme that needs to be killed. > It is a helper > tool. I think the recommendation to use RAT (for what it offers) is > just plainly right. Nothing more - nothing less. +1 My concern is people are overstating what the RAT tool does. It is *not* an audit tool as its name and some comments imply. Ross > > Jochen > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> I'm really worried about the growing meme that RAT is solving the IP management problem. >> >> It is not a solution, it is merely a tool that is useful for a very specific use case. >> >> All it does is do a pattern match for an Apache licence header in a bunch of files. It's really useful for checking the proper licensing of our source files. >> >> It does nothing else. >> >> Thinking RAT is helping the Incubator teach codlings how to manage IP is just plain dangerous. >> >> Ross >> >> Sent from my mobile device. >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> >> > > > -- rgardler@apache.org @rgardler --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org