From general-return-25900-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Aug 12 19:57:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 66418 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2010 19:57:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 12 Aug 2010 19:57:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 47880 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2010 19:57:30 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 47771 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2010 19:57:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 47763 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2010 19:57:29 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:57:29 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of davanum@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.83.47] (HELO mail-gw0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:57:22 +0000 Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so606985gwb.6 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:57:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :mime-version:subject:date:references; bh=7M2zaZ+pTIhqExY4iP5QhCGxVCiJjZGDT/wt5C+hcUg=; b=U5zIZpkZmUwFPVpYOzsLVAILqvLg510kkYCGK1Iz9aJvSnDjhnFlKk/6fmbVwNUO2o u37D+d5p7TN57vyd/qbaAR91LJtwIdACYeHTuSx0nb1B51apqG8C4muZ01Sk6M9ae44t I6l7m21ts/Oi226EZv/CJVrGxlnRpd1RmTqXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:mime-version:subject:date :references; b=VorgApg/A2Y9q4Hatqhrko697WPSEz0MEA1pdRPkFpJlKLrCHLUcnboE8EXrcKVQxY t3Ha91AUOm6RRv7X1CLLVN9VVPo/yMaVKfWGFvQDjgRJcSKMTPeho6GbhHFU9/Sw5QtO ESdrVU9vCNUmTnhfK2xHABrKY7UWnE8GVAlKI= Received: by 10.150.53.21 with SMTP id b21mr899948yba.75.1281643021263; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.76.46] ([166.192.149.160]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u42sm1888773yba.12.2010.08.12.12.56.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Davanum Srinivas To: "general@incubator.apache.org" In-Reply-To: <58A63270-69B5-44AC-A6BE-3A781D9F17FE@oracle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7A400) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7A400) Subject: Re: an experiment Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:56:54 -0400 References: <974721.3581.qm@web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <58A63270-69B5-44AC-A6BE-3A781D9F17FE@oracle.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Fair enough :) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 12, 2010, at 3:10 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > Hi Dims, > > On Aug 12, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > >> Craig, >> >> in my mind, it's not the number of steps that we eliminate, it's the >> message that we send. Instead of saying you all are *under* the >> microscope, we say that real quickly a few of you will become part of >> the microscope and look in on not just yours but also other >> podlings...my 2 cents. > > I think your comment is in regard to Joe's other proposal that all > committers become part of the incubator PMC. I didn't address that > proposal here. > > Craig > >> >> thanks, >> dims >> >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Craig L Russell >> wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>> >>>> The first idea should be fairly straightforward: that for >>>> the projects I participate in (so far thrift and sis), that >>>> the IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process >>>> for voting in new committers: basically rolling back the clock >>>> to May 1, 2007 on guides/ppmc.html. >>>> >>> Before we set ourselves up for disappointment based on unrealistic >>> expectations, this proposal is fairly modest. Here's the current >>> process for >>> getting new committers into an incubating project: >>> >>> 1. Identify candidates >>> 2. Discuss candidates on podling-private >>> 3. Agree that candidate should be a committer >>> 4. Vote on podling-private >>> 5. Wait for everyone's vote >>> 6. Inform incubator PMC of results of vote >>> 7. Vote in incubator PMC if not all three mentors have voted >>> 8. Invite committer >>> 9. Send ICLA >>> 10. Wait for ICLA registration >>> 11. Send root request for committer >>> 12. Wait for root to create account >>> 13. Update asf authorization file for new account >>> 14. Done >>> >>> All this proposal does is to eliminate step 7 in the case where >>> the Mentors >>> are AWOL. >>> >>> That said, I support the idea behind this modest proposal, and >>> just need to >>> see the details (several modifications have been proposed). Infra >>> also needs >>> to support this proposal, as the main reason for item 7 is to get >>> root to >>> recognize that the incubator PMC has taken official action (three >>> votes in >>> favor of a new committer) which has been an infrastructure >>> requirement (also >>> part of the details). >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> Architect, Oracle >>> http://db.apache.org/jdo >>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com >>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! >>> >>> >>> --- >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> > > Craig L Russell > Architect, Oracle > http://db.apache.org/jdo > 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org