From general-return-25854-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Aug 11 17:46:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 48994 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2010 17:46:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 11 Aug 2010 17:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 69285 invoked by uid 500); 11 Aug 2010 17:46:20 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68859 invoked by uid 500); 11 Aug 2010 17:46:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68849 invoked by uid 99); 11 Aug 2010 17:46:19 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:46:19 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [206.190.49.131] (HELO web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com) (206.190.49.131) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:46:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 5753 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Aug 2010 17:45:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1281548748; bh=xwdy2a3h3Y3l7EmNdMDy9PJb0JLVXFWse3MsY/VGhGA=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gjd3Lvmlr0Hww1Ya9wHcNand3IY+4r8uyWV2aL/sFNg2DWkypdEXgT88KndJoYqecUg3PUQA2RfwCqht7i12DMglWL+mCCzG9Mcb8gif8RrNiWwSOkrUsnT7bLzSZnBcl6bLhG/T2DHaHmD404scWpw7GSctxI2uDYQ2C49lbwI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WyZTqxeUH8Z6OMuRacJpWhXW+78Pj2fF+DjF8vfFH2wQzAA2t0l/V6UwzwFOr+/1+hsuT0YgLSJkf/yHBH7vKcuEnrbcXLkb+9bCDzAliqpmxLj0OY4nWHyUClxMOkY7Z+Rn2qLuirwQwWe+WwfhsGPFXEEqrqPsyL/s8btsdFI=; Message-ID: <974721.3581.qm@web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: khpmi9sVM1kNGy5gAzim9y7.fiKufH5deNbx8zwfWp1KSk9 Oo4OylqW180Q_2qHTsyxtagRdQZNlxBzZNVCyol_r_1cJfLRquEYK_s7JQ.h .4aGIt3BomZMISEg_t3ifoHXAOMUUK6Lnd3aKQjFDG.rvOZST.ydNVnLH3m7 qhdoQw0nlY8QXXFetHL4PwboZ908tcYOh.U4HymlXwH9cIANSNkyI0TQcko2 107YOZpF05OZPtvYPKL.qC5ANV75ki65eSbhIFiSi3PQu0lp8LKxkiBisEZZ srVETW8tbpBE- Received: from [99.135.28.65] by web54401.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:45:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/459 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:45:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Schaefer Subject: an experiment To: general@incubator.apache.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org So. Following some advice given to me by Sam Ruby, I'd like to start experimenting with different organizational and procedural approaches to the projects I participate in here. What I want to do is to see how far I can push the envelope on the whole notion of empowerment and self-governance in an incubating project, following the lessons I've learned from httpd's treatment of the subprojects it happens to be responsible for. The first idea should be fairly straightforward: that for the projects I participate in (so far thrift and sis), that the IPMC delegates to the PPMC the decision-making process for voting in new committers: basically rolling back the clock to May 1, 2007 on guides/ppmc.html. The second idea is more controversial: to hold IPMC votes to admit all significant committers to those projects to the IPMC itself. The purpose of this concept is to allow those who best know the codebase to provide IPMC oversight over it, especially as it pertains to releases. I welcome your comments, criticisms, and other feedback. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org