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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: an experiment
Date Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:30:29 GMT
Greg Stein wrote:

> Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> > <<shrug>> There are other instances of such things, such as httpd-docs
> > (IIUC), and I don't see a problem with it where a project feels it makes
> > sense.

> Our project thought it did make sense

Fine, and I'd agree with you.

> but the busy-bodies and rules pedants got all in our face.

I read that thread, and as I commented on private@, I thought that it could
have been handled better.

> Every message that I've seen from you today, Noel, is "gee. everything
> is operating just fine. just like it should. oversight is everything,
> and we need to do that, so I'm not going to listen to any suggestion
> of fixing anything or restructuring anything."

Then you need to re-read them.  Did you miss the several points where I said
that if someone isn't participating in a given project then unless they have
one of a few issues of substance they should either actively become part of
the community or butt out?

And did you miss my request to the Board for their input on the issue of
whether or not the PMC has to vote on new Committers?  Claiming that I'm not
listening or open is, frankly, insulting.

> The Incubator is a broken process. Everybody hates it. Everybody wants to
get out of it.

That is not the message that we get from most participants, but if that is
the case, then let's fix it.

> Subversion was fortunate in that we had enough support to bully our way
through, to route
> around damage

Such as?  Let's be concrete and constructive, identify the specific problems
and address them.

	--- Noel

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