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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: an experiment
Date Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:37:36 GMT
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

> > We have one of the largest PMCs in the ASF.

> I view this as potentially the crux of the problem - people who aren't
> stakeholders in the community shouldn't have a say.  Right now, they
> feel they do.  So, if we want to mandate at least 3 mentors - fine,
> but that must come at the cost of telling the rest of the IPMC to go
> away - unless they actively contribute to the community and earn
> merit...of course.

Where are you seeing this "over-reach" problem to which you refer?  I have
heard of a few isolated incidents, and those can be addressed.  But by far
and way, the biggest complaint is LACK of involvement, e.g.,

> Lack of binding votes  was seen as the main "problem" for Traffic Server
> during incubation, other than that, I think the process mostly "just
> works" as it is.

And most cases of PMC members getting involved in projects of which they
aren't a Mentor have been with respect to release packaging, where the
involvement has generally been valid and valuable, even if bothersome to
those whose packages weren't quite up to snuff.

But, seriously, if there is systemic overreaching, lets address *that*

	--- Noel

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