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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <>
Subject Re: an experiment
Date Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:16:58 GMT
Hi Guys,

>From my point of view, it would be nice for podlings with active mentors to be able to
guide their own decisions, especially if there are 3 active mentors and they approve. For
example in our case in OODT, we can achieve consensus and obtain much of the necessary VOTEs
and oversight from our mentors like Justin and Ian and myself.

Also, I'm not sure that teaching the podlings that once they do a committer VOTE with the
PPMC that they then have to do an IPMC vote after that is really teaching them the Apache
way b/c this isn't the way it'll work when they graduate. I think so long as there are active
mentors shepherding the experienced PMC role on the project, then VOTEs at the PPMC level
should be all that's required. If IPMC = collection of all PPMC members (after pruning those
that aren't active, etc.), that would be fine with me.

My 2 cents,

On 8/16/10 9:45 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" <> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
> And if the Mentors aren't being active, voting, etc., then *that* is what
> needs to be addressed.

As I've repeatedly stated before (here and elsewhere), in the podlings
I've been recently involved with, having three mentors isn't the
issue.  It's the PMC members who aren't involved sticking their nose
in and trying to poison the community.

> We have one of the largest PMCs in the ASF.  If we

I view this as potentially the crux of the problem - people who aren't
stakeholders in the community shouldn't have a say.  Right now, they
feel they do.  So, if we want to mandate at least 3 mentors - fine,
but that must come at the cost of telling the rest of the IPMC to go
away - unless they actively contribute to the community and earn
merit...of course.  -- justin

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

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