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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Future of RAT
Date Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:59:12 GMT
Hi Dan,

> Perhaps this just needs generalizing a smidge.
> 
> Who are the users of/community for RAT?  If that can be determined then the
> TLP should be named after this community, rather than after RAT itself.
> 
> eg, if RAT is deemed to be for "internal" apache use, then call the TLP
> internal.apache.org.  RAT then just happens to be the first such "internal"
> tool.   If other tools for the same community are written, then they would
> also go into this TLP.

While I'm not against what you propose at all, I don't think it makes sense
to use the graduation of RAT in isolation as a vehicle for your proposal
above. If such a proposal makes sense (after time of seeing more and more
"internal" Apache tools), then it would make sense to put it forward at that
time.

In the meanwhile, there is an actionable, concrete proposal here I believe
for a RAT TLP. +1 to Greg's comments: every TLP doesn't have to be a
behemoth pseudo-Incubator like many of our other TLPs. Some of them work
just fine as smaller, driven projects with communities of all sizes.

Cheers,
Chris

> 
> 
> 
> On 10 August 2010 18:20, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Let me repeat: where does it say a TLP must be "at least THIS size" ?
>> 
>> Answer: nowhere.
>> 
>> Small projects are just fine. We're looking at the overall community
>> and the people to shepherd that community. Those are the RAT
>> developers and users. Not the Apache Commons or Apache Maven people.
>> They have other concerns and focus points.
>> 
>> TLPs are not "expensive", so they don't have to have a "minimum size"
>> to justify their existence.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> -g
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:37, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>> RAT is very important and helpful, but I don't think it's big enough to
>> justify
>>> an own TLP.
>>> It previously was under codehaus and I agree it would best fit under the
>> maven
>>> TLP.
>>> 
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Jochen Wiedmann <jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
>>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 4:47:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Future of RAT
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>>>> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I feel kind of the opposite -- RAT is an important tool  that's
>> required of
>>>>> all the Incubator projects, but pretty widely  integrated (at least in
>> Java
>>>>> land) outside of the Incubator as a tool to  help check ASF policies.
>> To me,
>>>>> that's a big scope and an important  community, and just based on the
>>>>> telltale signs it seems like a TLP to  me.
>>>> 
>>>> Quick, hire him for chair ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> I Am What I Am  And That's All What I Yam  (Popeye)
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