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From Niall Pemberton <>
Subject Re: Future of RAT
Date Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:52:24 GMT
On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:12, Stefan Bodewig <> wrote:
>> On 2010-08-11, Niall Pemberton wrote:
>>> The real point though is not size - its *activity*.
>> [absolutely correct observation of low activity snipped]
>>> My concern is if RAT goes TLP then it may be a small step away from
>>> not being able to get 3 PMC votes.
>> I understand that and share the concern to some degree.
>> RAT has probably never been the primary project for any of its
>> contributors.  Most of us jumped in to scratch specific itches and other
>> than that RAT is a side project somewhere down the list of projects we
>> contribute to regularly.  Pretty far down.
>> That being said, we are aware of the problem and have tried to address
>> that by adding four more committers last December, that doesn't seem to
>> have been enough.
>> One reason probably is that RAT does what it is supposed to do well
>> enough for most of us - the feedback of people who said RAT was so
>> important to them that it should become a TLP indicates it is good
>> enough for most other people as well.  In a way RAT has already been
>> mature and in maintenance mode when it entered incubation.
>> So yes, development activity is low.
>> OTOH patches get applied and releases are made if there is anything to
>> fix.  I'm sure we could have gotten more people to vote if it had been
>> necessary on the last release, it just wasn't necessary so people
>> preferred to work on other things rather than checking releases.
> Right. it is being properly managed.
> Just like the Apache Tcl TLP. And Apache Excalibur. And Apache Perl.
> ... could probably find a few more low-activity TLPs, but I believe
> you see my point. It isn't about activity either. It is about whether
> you have eyeballs on the community and the codebase.

Clearly then there are small TLPs that operate effectively. However
any TLP that can't get 3 PMC votes is effectively dead and I don't
want to see RAT end up in that situation in a year or two. Seeing only
3 votes on the RAT 0.7 release from its PPMC raises that concern.


> Cheers,
> -g

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