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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: an experiment
Date Mon, 16 Aug 2010 18:08:54 GMT
----- Original Message ----

> From: Noel J. Bergman <>
> To:
> Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 2:02:15 PM
> Subject: RE: an experiment
> Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > Are you trying to tell me that both jakarta and  httpd have been in
> violation
> > of Apache bylaws all these  years?
> As as matter of fact, YES.
> I can't speak for the HTTP  Server situation, but in the case of Jakarta,
> that was one of the reasons for  breaking it up, along with pushing to make
> every committer a PMC  member.  Before that, Jakarta had allowed projects to
> vote their own  releases outside of the PMC, and that finally raised some big
> red  flags.  I remember that clearly, as I suspect would Serge and  Danny.

Let's not conflate release votes with committer votes.  I'm not challenging
IPMC process on releases at this point.  I'm challenging the idea that allowing
subprojects to vote in new committers all by themselves is somehow taboo
in this org, because that does not match my experience with httpd, and
it certainly wasn't how jakarta operated prior to the restructuring.

> > The fact that committers have no legal standing in this org  means there is
> > no reason a "decision" made about them needs formal  approval by a PMC.
> > Your reading of the corporate structure of this org  is needlessly formal.
> Giving them commit access has been deemed an action  requiring a vote of the
> PMC.  And sometimes the job description of a PMC  Chair is

Are you referring to a board resolution, or just some passed down wisdom
that you have received?


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