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From Craig L Russell <craig.russ...@oracle.com>
Subject Re: Future of RAT
Date Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:26:23 GMT

On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:59 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
>> Perhaps this just needs generalizing a smidge.
>>
>> Who are the users of/community for RAT?  If that can be determined  
>> then the
>> TLP should be named after this community, rather than after RAT  
>> itself.
>>
>> eg, if RAT is deemed to be for "internal" apache use, then call the  
>> TLP
>> internal.apache.org.  RAT then just happens to be the first such  
>> "internal"
>> tool.   If other tools for the same community are written, then  
>> they would
>> also go into this TLP.
>
> While I'm not against what you propose at all, I don't think it  
> makes sense
> to use the graduation of RAT in isolation as a vehicle for your  
> proposal
> above. If such a proposal makes sense (after time of seeing more and  
> more
> "internal" Apache tools), then it would make sense to put it forward  
> at that
> time.
>
> In the meanwhile, there is an actionable, concrete proposal here I  
> believe
> for a RAT TLP. +1 to Greg's comments: every TLP doesn't have to be a
> behemoth pseudo-Incubator like many of our other TLPs. Some of them  
> work
> just fine as smaller, driven projects with communities of all sizes.

I'd suggest letting the RAT PPMC decide what they want to do. If they  
are unable to come to a decision, they can come back and ask for more  
opinions.

Craig
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10 August 2010 18:20, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Let me repeat: where does it say a TLP must be "at least THIS  
>>> size" ?
>>>
>>> Answer: nowhere.
>>>
>>> Small projects are just fine. We're looking at the overall community
>>> and the people to shepherd that community. Those are the RAT
>>> developers and users. Not the Apache Commons or Apache Maven people.
>>> They have other concerns and focus points.
>>>
>>> TLPs are not "expensive", so they don't have to have a "minimum  
>>> size"
>>> to justify their existence.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -g
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:37, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>  
>>> wrote:
>>>> RAT is very important and helpful, but I don't think it's big  
>>>> enough to
>>> justify
>>>> an own TLP.
>>>> It previously was under codehaus and I agree it would best fit  
>>>> under the
>>> maven
>>>> TLP.
>>>>
>>>> LieGrue,
>>>> strub
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: Jochen Wiedmann <jochen.wiedmann@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 4:47:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Future of RAT
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>>>>> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel kind of the opposite -- RAT is an important tool  that's
>>> required of
>>>>>> all the Incubator projects, but pretty widely  integrated (at  
>>>>>> least in
>>> Java
>>>>>> land) outside of the Incubator as a tool to  help check ASF  
>>>>>> policies.
>>> To me,
>>>>>> that's a big scope and an important  community, and just based  
>>>>>> on the
>>>>>> telltale signs it seems like a TLP to  me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Quick, hire him for chair ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> I Am What I Am  And That's All What I Yam  (Popeye)
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>
>
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Craig L Russell
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