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From Daniel Shahaf <...@daniel.shahaf.name>
Subject Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)
Date Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:56:38 GMT
Craig L Russell wrote on Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 15:45:54 -0700:
> I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in  
> incubation, while the subversion community could learn the common Apache 
> terminology and have no need for translation of the terms.
>
> Instead, a suggestion to that effect was brutally shot down.
>
> And since it's apparently not clear what my point is, I'll repeat it:
>
> Apache has a common set of terms that everyone who participates is  
> expected to understand. They are documented in the foundation "How we  
> work" pages.
>
> Projects are free to have their own set of rules and terminology. If  
> they differ much from standard Apache governance, there's an opportunity 
> for them to have their own bylaws.
>
> When communicating with the wider Apache community, the standard terms  
> are all that are needed. Parentheticals in such things as board reports, 
> which are widely disseminated, might seem useful early in the project but 
> are unnecessary very quickly. If they serve to clarify for the wider 
> community, ok. But if parentheticals' only purpose is project 
> communication, I believe that they are best avoided, as project members 
> should know the Apache terminology (before exiting incubation).
>

I think the parentheticals are useful for Subversion community members
(who aren't PMC members) who read our board report, and for people who
read the board report and then want to better acquaint themselves with
our community.

Anyway, these terms exist in the community, as much as "RA layer" is a
term in our community.  Let's not pretend they don't exist.

> Craig
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> Didn't you just suggest that Greg summarily drop
>> his use of local terminology from his reports, and
>> don't you consider the Subversion report a community
>> document, and therefore of educational value for the
>> wider community, not just the pmc, in some sense?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:09:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an  
>>> experiment)
>>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> Please read my messages again. I'm not suggesting anything of the   
>>> sort.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Joe Schaefer  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cmon Craig.  Subversion is a 10-year old  community.  Making major  
>>>> changes
>>>> in basic terminology isn't  something that happens in a day.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect,  Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A  good JDO? O,  Gasp!
>>>
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> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
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