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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)
Date Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:32:01 GMT
----- Original Message ----

> From: Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 6:45:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)
> 
> I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in  
>incubation, while the subversion community could learn the common Apache  
>terminology and have no need for translation of the terms.
> 
> Instead, a  suggestion to that effect was brutally shot down.

Hm, sounds like sour grapes reappearing.  Having the subversion community
drop 10 years of common terminology and quickly adopt ours isn't what I
consider part and parcel of incubation.  As that community continues to proceed
through the hallways and corridors of Apache, they will find less friction
when they talk about their project to other Apache people using terms that
Apache people can readily relate to.  They can do that while at the same
time supporting local terminology specific to subversion, for as long as
they can maintain the two modes of speaking.

IOW, this does not require a top-down approach with a strict time-limit.
Subversion will pick up our terms naturally and probably phase out their
own just for the sake of having simplified their discussions with various
folks.  We do not need to prod them; they will either see it as being in
their own best interests or will deal with the duality.

> 
> And since it's  apparently not clear what my point is, I'll repeat it:
> 
> Apache has a  common set of terms that everyone who participates is expected to 
>understand.  They are documented in the foundation "How we work" pages.
> 
> Projects are  free to have their own set of rules and terminology. If they 
>differ much from  standard Apache governance, there's an opportunity for them to 
>have their own  bylaws.
> 
> When communicating with the wider Apache community, the standard  terms are all 
>that are needed. Parentheticals in such things as board reports,  which are 
>widely disseminated, might seem useful early in the project but are  unnecessary 
>very quickly. If they serve to clarify for the wider community, ok.  But if 
>parentheticals' only purpose is project communication, I believe that  they are 
>best avoided, as project members should know the Apache terminology  (before 
>exiting incubation).

Fair enough.

> 
> Craig
> 
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 2:17 PM,  Joe Schaefer wrote:
> 
> > Didn't you just suggest that Greg summarily  drop
> > his use of local terminology from his reports, and
> > don't  you consider the Subversion report a community
> > document, and therefore  of educational value for the
> > wider community, not just the pmc, in some  sense?
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >> From:  Craig L Russell <craig.russell@oracle.com>
> >>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >>  Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:09:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Subversion  full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)
> >> 
> >> Hi  Joe,
> >> 
> >> Please read my messages again. I'm not suggesting  anything of the  sort.
> >> 
> >> Craig
> >> 
> >> On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Joe Schaefer  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Cmon Craig.  Subversion is a 10-year old   community.  Making major 
changes
> >>> in basic terminology  isn't  something that happens in a day.
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Craig L Russell
> >> Architect,  Oracle
> >>  http://db.apache.org/jdo
> >> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> >>  P.S. A  good JDO? O,  Gasp!
> >> 
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> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A  good JDO? O,  Gasp!
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