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From "Gav..." <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
Subject RE: an experiment
Date Tue, 17 Aug 2010 01:21:38 GMT


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:noel@devtech.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2010 9:13 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: an experiment
> 
> Gavin McDonald wrote:
> 
> > How about a PMC Chair that does more than turn up once a month at ,
> ooh,
> day
> > before board reports are due and then disappears for a whole month
> until ,
> > ooh, day before report time.
> 
> Actually, I read Incubator e-mail pretty much every day.

Then why do you store up all your replies until report time? It makes no
sense.

> 
> > And you still expect to run the whole show your way and jump in with
> 20+
> > messages in one day about subjects people have been discussing for
> days
> > if not weeks before.
> 
> I'm voicing an opinion, backing it up, and taking the issue to the
> Board for
> their input.  If I really expected to "run the whole show [my] way", I
> wouldn't make sure that as much as possible is delegated and
> distributed to
> the PMC, and I would be much more vocal.  Personally, I believe that
> the
> Incubator runs smoothly precisely because of that delegation.
> 
> In the specific case of Joe's experiment, I would have voice my opinion
> earlier, but was away.  Please note that, as an Incubator PMC Member,
> you
> were notified of my schedule.

Yes, and if it were just this month then fine, but it's not. Why on earth
I notice these things I don't know, maybe it's not important in the grand
scheme of things, but I can't help feeling irritated that you turn up once
a month with your slew of emails and then think all is great again until
the following months reporting period.

Oh right, I need to back that up. Let's just only go as far back as January
this
year.

January board meeting was: 20th: you posted on 18th,19th.

February board meeting was: 17th: you posted on 15th,16th,24th.

March board meeting was: 17th: you posted on 16th.

April board meeting was: 21st: you posted on 20th,21st.

May board meeting was: 19th: you posted on 18th.

June board meeting was: 16th: you posted on 15th,18th.

July board meeting was: 21st: you posted on 19th,22nd.

Note that these dates are as I received them my TZ (GMT+9) but
you get the idea. I see a pattern.


> 
> > And I can't wait for your excuse to be that the sole role of PMC
> chair is
> to
> > file reports.
> 
> No, it isn't.  The role of the PMC Chair is to make sure that the
> project
> runs smoothly.  I was very vocal during the formative days of the
> Incubator,
> and speak up when I've something to say.  Otherwise, I am quite happy
> to see
> others stepping up and staking a role in the Incubator.

Ok, if you see all is well then fine, but can you not just at least look
like you are a bit more interested other than just at reporting time?

another example, you just posted a whole months worth at members requesting
to join the Incubator PMC and Greg just acked the lot -- is this something
that only you as Incubator PMC chair can do or can any member send off this
ack request to the board? If it makes things easier I'd be glad to help.

Gav...

> 
> 	--- Noel
> 
> 
> 
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