From general-return-25634-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Jun 23 12:46:00 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 13485 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2010 12:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by 140.211.11.9 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2010 12:45:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 33987 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jun 2010 12:45:59 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 33792 invoked by uid 500); 23 Jun 2010 12:45:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 33784 invoked by uid 99); 23 Jun 2010 12:45:54 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:45:54 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS,T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of ant.elder@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.83.47] (HELO mail-gw0-f47.google.com) (74.125.83.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:45:48 +0000 Received: by gwb19 with SMTP id 19so1609781gwb.6 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:45:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=aoIzazcfKKgEpO6SSeDcye5NZ+OSEBYfadjjB+0okr4=; b=bmUvd1l5GY8cr763+10BavT9N81GQ4uytzBTwFTZqbKNJ+GH+2Dla/P6s9KTTaDvej jutvpO2wvoUzaeNM5w3y2zNtkv1Q9BTKsXxJ3zOY663NMTInd/k/u+eLl8Oga/JZynz7 +xkBRLwHmBY9pBy17unh2hMKpLUdnEIEgQTJ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WX8v2Tqpy47ZLF0/ZSeibvulnCo8EYWubvC1qUf43fdgjYxHtqzaidHp9xAnd/f7Y/ Bad30j6QnoaW7FDxFCKRSt3Zb2eAcXcGjY1y5ncKvS4Xqi0JXpcB5xNIYygKCCyzfydy db/wnTCSQBZMRXoxPxbT1BvEtuB6X7Juk3dZM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.245.17 with SMTP id s17mr6480047anh.172.1277297127743; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.213.3 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: antelder@apache.org In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:45:27 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Chukwa to incubator From: ant elder To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Bernd Fondermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 07:54, Eric Yang wrote: >> Besides DOAP file and the incubator nomenclature, I may need help identi= fy >> the addition responsibilities for Apache PMC. =A0One problem, Chukwa com= munity >> did not have a vote for PMC Chair because we are not sure what is the ri= ght >> process for this. =A0Meanwhile, I have been writing quarterly report lik= e any >> other Apache project, only recipient of the report is different. >> >> Chukwa releases have been voted by Chukwa community which is similar to >> Hadoop releases, and managed incremental changes using patches and >> committers. =A0Code audit has been performed by the committers to ensure= we >> don't bring in license incompatible libraries into Chukwa. >> >> Owen O'Malley had trained us these procedures roughly two years ago, and= we >> have been executing the same process ever since. > > This translate for me into: > Chukwa didn't have proper oversight by a PMC (a committee that is, not > a single person) at Hadoop. > Incubation would fix this using established processes. > I think this is the right track, and the people involved, including > the Hadoop PMC, ultimatively did the right thing. > (Except for not simply growing the Hadoop PMC over time to include > committers from every product.) > >> Chukwa has a community of exist user base of 35 people. =A0It would be n= ice to >> make Chukwa a special case to skip incubator nomenclature. =A0This would= ease >> the migration path for the existing Chukwa community. > > Ok with me, at least as far as MLs or SVN are concerned. > However, Chukwa must be aware that it is changing PMCs from Hadoop to Inc= ubator. > So different rules might apply, like marking release artifacts as "-incub= ating". > Let's gather some more feedback on this. > Most projects that come to incubate would likely prefer to go straight to the TLP naming. The last time i recall this came up was here: http://apache.markmail.org/message/ifinvq7wqmeoo5ix IMHO we should insist on using the incubator naming for the Chukwa website/svn/MLs because I think Chukwa should just go directly to a TLP and if they have to use the incubator naming it may help them decide that the direct to TLP route really is better ;-) ...ant --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org