Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 69571 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2009 14:54:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 2009 14:54:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 41707 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2009 14:54:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 41515 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2009 14:54:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 41505 invoked by uid 99); 9 Nov 2009 14:54:38 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:54:38 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of justin.erenkrantz@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.188 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.216.188] (HELO mail-px0-f188.google.com) (209.85.216.188) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:54:30 +0000 Received: by pxi26 with SMTP id 26so1944370pxi.21 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:54:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uBtW+sDZ9IOcRjWOwyibcFT6QYcplJPmARqEjeeEUV4=; b=ulyCJ6/hZvfAd+R2TAQvjwuA6kHpETBP6YTCEkp/YZl0bHlBBC4GrUEjxRZqpuv9Dq a1oXu/9tIsFakfbhzQaCgy1K4WOH6IfcAwNax9dx9A063hflKAft0tbefmB807P6Mvmp EC/igi3qlJJD9RN8yVnj7EyTfD0A3ZSf5cgcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OHXfR1ouIPXNC0Fn2QiknccZF+EXtgrFNc0hgO+L5WcwXwg86lXpIO53iwHD59TWXq pSG1fnSRsA45PbZ5FG3udJnt74o04HBKqrGrUMTdzSedZY2mqDTUxxl2zq2zBW/K6Lhf Kc5rz2zTIymv7U50mRDnwOfd9zN9R7r5FP1Ks= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: justin.erenkrantz@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.74.3 with SMTP id w3mr795540wfa.191.1257778449310; Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:54:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <918312fe0911090626t49245639tf175e51a201ced41@mail.gmail.com> References: <6cca3db30911081725m55f979d0p50c2bc9b97b04cc5@mail.gmail.com> <5c902b9e0911090615s59d13865m6a48c016130d9024@mail.gmail.com> <918312fe0911090626t49245639tf175e51a201ced41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:54:09 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0a96a488adbc4a79 Message-ID: <5c902b9e0911090654q908574dpbc61c1d330f2e33a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion) From: Justin Erenkrantz To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: >> To be clear, it's on the mentors to decide what is applicable and >> necessary for graduation - not the IPMC as a whole. > > Nope... The whole IPMC has been tasked with oversight. The mentors are > proxies for the whole IPMC. You can't have it both ways. By approving the proposal, the IPMC delegates its oversight authority to the mentors. The IPMC then confirms that the proper process was followed when it votes for graduation. The mentors can ask for pre-approval for certain 'waivers' like Greg is asking for - but it's unfair for a non-mentor to try to tell a podling what it can or can not do. -- justin --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org