From general-return-23818-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Nov 11 04:05:22 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 5217 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2009 04:05:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 11 Nov 2009 04:05:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 73238 invoked by uid 500); 11 Nov 2009 04:05:21 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 72996 invoked by uid 500); 11 Nov 2009 04:05:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 72986 invoked by uid 99); 11 Nov 2009 04:05:20 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:05:20 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of hedhman@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.214 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.220.214] (HELO mail-fx0-f214.google.com) (209.85.220.214) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:05:17 +0000 Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so230695fxm.20 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:04:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m1bOGOEfg6n+y8bt6iaN634f/y8KyCblyg2r3b7B/Zs=; b=XZIbbJsCmE5zDy5v0mkOzC2JvLjvGNu4IAOMrTI4sgcSXA5ag2y1cRTzh62zvwRbbu zf2GG7XXeVvFSvpdSifqTUQdZAik2/BNrSyLAuHN2v0SQIx6UVjSQxm4VKX+d2GLg/cn m8geS/Ikk0x+C+mWjbo7E5cJ3RNmyYr8PGZr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=N13hjc4ZP/VVop7g66o8bGNCFNEm8JJ9pIuj1QfAhPLGhjq4dYR7cbc8GvKIAIHSrN E2WV2HPOvSg2P1zDlgICkl+CLZZUJUShmTxLh8q/idPh0dmegCjZX5fQVNrhrdIsZrYT UWJrzLiB8XWgjsddO63oxvdureX+N+qbBbdKQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: hedhman@gmail.com Received: by 10.239.145.148 with SMTP id s20mr100455hba.142.1257912295662; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:04:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <6cca3db30911041212na34324dp16d978c52ce9d2a1@mail.gmail.com> <26269837.post@talk.nabble.com> <4AF84CD6.10409@collab.net> <26280942.post@talk.nabble.com> <4AF97FD3.2080301@collab.net> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:04:54 +0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4cccaec4f4a6c167 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion From: Niclas Hedhman To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:59 PM, C. Michael Pilato = wrote: > >> Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. =A0The >> Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we pl= an >> to. > > That would a completely new philosophy for an Apache project, which alway= s aimed > very heavily on distributions. Not new at all. I know that one of the oldest Java projects here, Cocoon, once only released buildable(!) source code. What is happening in some Java projects, via Maven's release plugin, is disturbing since the "source release" only exist in the subversion repository. The -source.jar is packaged in a non-buildable format optimized for IDE source integration and not to be reproducable. Some ASF projects (I think including some of Maven's own artifacts and subprojects) are now in total opposite of "old school source releases" and effectively only releases "binaries" containing re-packaged sources and one has to go to source repository to find the 'real' source code for that release. Cheers --=20 Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org