From general-return-23738-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Nov 10 15:00:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 42262 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2009 15:00:07 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.3) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Nov 2009 15:00:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 37615 invoked by uid 500); 10 Nov 2009 15:00:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 37443 invoked by uid 500); 10 Nov 2009 15:00:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 37433 invoked by uid 99); 10 Nov 2009 15:00:05 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:00:05 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of cmpilato@collab.net designates 204.16.106.199 as permitted sender) Received: from [204.16.106.199] (HELO sp-exchfeb.sp.corp.collab.net) (204.16.106.199) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 14:59:55 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([71.75.188.39]) by sp-exchfeb.sp.corp.collab.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:59:32 -0800 Message-ID: <4AF97FD3.2080301@collab.net> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:59:31 -0500 From: "C. Michael Pilato" Organization: CollabNet, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion References: <6cca3db30911041212na34324dp16d978c52ce9d2a1@mail.gmail.com> <26269837.post@talk.nabble.com> <4AF84CD6.10409@collab.net> <26280942.post@talk.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <26280942.post@talk.nabble.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig7E88F53C0B05E6BC74ECE7A3" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2009 14:59:32.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[694BD360:01CA6216] X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --------------enig7E88F53C0B05E6BC74ECE7A3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Igor Burilo wrote: >=20 > C. Michael Pilato wrote: >>> Our goal is to bring our Serf integration up to the quality (in terms= of >>> both user experience and proper API adherence) of our Neon one so tha= t > Serf >>> can safely become the new default DAV RA implementation, yes. It's m= ostly >>> there, but still contains a few gotchas. We've switched our trunk >>> (1.7-aimed) code to use Serf as the default if both it and Neon are f= ound, >>> but that change could be reverted (restoring the use of Neon as the > default) >>> if we aren't able to iron out the Serf integration shortcomings in a > timely >>> fashion.=20 >=20 > Michael, this is a very good news and it's good that you work on it now= , > because licensing issues (Neon license incompatibility) are very import= ant > for us. Hope that you will manage to do it if for SVN 1.7. >=20 > Thanks, Igor I certainly understand why license issues would be a concern. But I coul= d use an education about why this particular case matters. We currently sh= ip Neon in a separate tarball from Subversion's core code for the convenienc= e of our users, but if that's a problem, we can stop doing so. Subversion doesn't require Neon. Or Serf. You can have a perfectly valid, working,= Subversion client and server that doesn't use a DAV layer at all. The Subversion community has never released binaries -- ever -- not do we pla= n to. So users and package maintainers are free to assemble Subversion wit= h the optional bits they care to provide for their consumers. Igor, is there a particular concern that you can elaborate on here if onl= y for my education? --=20 C. Michael Pilato CollabNet <> www.collab.net <> Distributed Development On Demand --------------enig7E88F53C0B05E6BC74ECE7A3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkr5f9MACgkQokEGqRcG/W56ygCfTO1L4RSI3Ft/SMuremY1xBIT dCoAoLXSSSpXKZqs8QzBJ3G8eERu7yqZ =xlUb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig7E88F53C0B05E6BC74ECE7A3--