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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Incubator Releases: mandatory or optional? Purpose?
Date Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:11:50 GMT

On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> Greg Stein wrote:
>>> IIRC, Martijn has offered a proper legal review in the place of a
> "release".
>>> This sounded pretty reasonable to me. I would agree to that.
>> Yup. I've already stated that I have no problems with running RAT and
>> working through those issues. Might have been hard to see in this long
>> thread
> Ironically, when the Incubator first formed, podlings could NOT do a release
> and many yelled about it.

Yes, the originally reason behind it, iirc, was so podlings had a reason
to graduate, the thought being if they could do a release, then what
incentive was there for them to ever leave? :)

>  Accordingly, after much discussion on how, that
> rule was changed so that a podling *could* do a release.  Later, some people
> felt that it was not only possible, but should be mandatory to see a project
> go through the release process, and (in another irony), I believe that some
> of those asking to skirt the issue for Subversion were amonst those pushing
> to see the projects do a release before graduation.  Later on, there was a
> push from the Infrastructure team (as noted already by Joe), wanting to make
> sure that the podling knew the processes for doing a release on ASF
> infrastructure.

In general, the whole legal aspects of the ASF "kick in" when we release
code. That's what we exist to do and that when things like licensing and
the like make that connection between the development-side and the
"admin/legal"-side of the ASF.

Since releasing s/w is likely the most important and tangible thing
that ASF projects do, it is a Good Idea to ensure that projects know
how to do it, and this learning process does fit in well with the
whole goal of the Incubator.
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