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From Martijn Dashorst <martijn.dasho...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Date Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:39:39 GMT
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <justin@erenkrantz.com> wrote:
> This is where I think the Incubator has gone awry: the claim that you
> are an IPMC member implies that you have merit on a project (in the
> form of a binding vote) is false.

Not sure if I am looking at the same incubator as you are. I am fully
aware that I don't have any technical merit with a project and refrain
from voting on technical issues. As part of the IPMC I *do* have a
binding vote, per Apache policy, on any issue (technical, legal and
communitywise).

If a podling thinks they are ready to graduate, but the mentors are
not, should they still graduate?

If a podling thinks they are ready to graduate, and the mentors are,
but they still aren't diverse? Should they still graduate?

If a podling votes +1 for a release but doesn't have NOTICE,
DISCLAIMER and LICENSE in the right places, should we still vote +1 to
release the artifacts?

Is being on the IPMC the same as being vote cattle?

> Merit should be earned and should be local - and, in that, I think
> there are some re-adjustments in order as to how the Incubator
> operates.

> I'm mildly uncomfortable with mentors who aren't actually involved in
> the project telling a community what to do - but I accept that as a
> necessity of the Incubation process.  However, I'm much more
> uncomfortable when folks who have *zero* affiliation (except for being
> on some distant "PMC") telling a podling what to do because *they*
> personally believe it is right even when others disagree.

There will always be opinions and disagreements. AFAIK only commits
are subject to VETOs, and I can't remember when an IPMC member vetoed
a commit on a podling (being mentor or not).

The only real problematic votes are release votes and graduation
votes. The latter are usually voted -1 because of diversity issues or
the lack of adding new committers to the project. The former are
usually voted -1 because of wrong contents for NOTICE files, or
missing headers and/or LICENSE, DISCLAIMER and NOTICE files.

If you have anything specific then please point it out.

Martijn

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