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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Date Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:35:16 GMT
----- Original Message ----

> From: Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:58:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:  [PROPOSAL][VOTE]
Subversion)
> 
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 16:39, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----
> >
> >> From: Jukka Zitting 
> >> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> >> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 1:25:40 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: 
>  [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >> > Unfortunately, some documentation needs to be brought in sync.
> >> >
> >> > See: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
> >>
> >> I'm nitpicking, but even there we only ask the podlings to
> >> "demonstrate ability to create Apache releases".
> >>
> >> > Per Joe, I think it makes sense to run podlings through a release to
> >> > teach them the ropes, rather than lump that onto Infrastructure. But I
> >> > also believe we should provide waivers when appropriate.
> >>
> >> Fair enough.
> >>
> >> As an alternative, how about submitting
> >> http://subversion.tigris.org/downloads/subversion-1.6.6.tar.bz2 for
> >> IPMC review? That should require no extra work from and no special
> >> waivers for Subversion.
> >
> > I think Greg and company intend to cut another subversion release in
> > the next 2-3 weeks.  If we can get some part of that carried out on
> > apache mailing lists, I think it would alleviate a lot of the initial
> > concerns.
> 
> Neither 1.6.6 nor the upcoming 1.6.7 are Apache-branded releases. The
> input that I received was that that was insufficient -- a branded
> release was necessary.

I haven't seen that discussion, but unless you actually poll general@incubator
for an opinion, running the idea by a few of the more vocal participants
or "key" people here won't get you an accurate gauge of anything.  I have
found most people at Apache to be moderate in their views and willing to compromise when given
a good reason to.  That's part of our success as
an organization.

What I'm looking to see personally is the execution of votes and signature
exchange happening on an apache list.  That way the IPMC members can ensure
discussion is appropriate on both the private and public mailing lists
and the process is sound.  I don't give a rat's ass how it is branded, and
assuming the code grant from the Subversion corporation is comprehensive
expect to vote +1 for graduation without an apache-branded release happening
prior to graduation.  People will be more than willing to do a license
review on a non-apache branded release.


      

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