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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Date Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:55:48 GMT
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:59, William A. Rowe, Jr. <> wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>> Yup. And I'll note that that "limbo" you describe has been an issue
>> with the Board for a long while now. That is why the Board instructed
>> the IPMC to request all podlings to list two items in their reports:
>> 1) when did you arrive?
>> 2) what is left?
>> Specifically to focus the podling (and the IPMC) on the question of
>> "WHY are you still in the Incubator?"
>> Podlings should be shepherded *out* rather than held *in*.
> Hmmm... here you go again.  Do you really believe there's a mentor here
> who doesn't want to be 'done' with their task at hand, offering up a
> functioning project for graduation?  Mentors -do- exactly this, which
> is why your rants continue to read as disingenuous and insulting.

I'm not talking about mentors' desire to do this. I'm talking about
the structures that appear to be in place which work *against*
incubation and graduation.

And if you want to call a rant against meaningless constraints and
bureaucracy "insulting", then I'm okay with that.

> We are glad the board has such confidence that the Incubator is producing
> effect meritocracies that collaborate effectively.  If your's is not the
> minority opinion, there is a much larger 'Insanity' thread to begin, which
> starts with [VOTE] and ends in "Dissolve Incubator?"

My point above was the Board, at least in the past(*), has *not* been
happy about the average duration. Go poll the Board today, if you'd

AFAIK, the Board has never expressed a lack of confidence in the
Incubator, other than duration.


(*) see "Incubator Reports" sent to Noel, IPMC, and board@ on Oct 12, 2006

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