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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: Side Discussion; Mentorship [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion
Date Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:20:53 GMT
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 03:23, William A. Rowe, Jr. <> wrote:
>>  * Nominated Mentors: Justin Erenkrantz, Greg Stein, Sander Striker, Daniel Rall
> Once again, caution against committers == mentors (== 'project leads').
> It puts certain committers above others, an inequitable situation.

We have 70 committers. Of those 55 are (what the ASF would call) PMC
members. The above four names are a *very* small portion of the
"leadership" of the svn community. Justin and Sander are *way* more
active here at the ASF than in the SVN community. They are present to
"show the ropes" more than to assert themselves in the svn community.

If anything, my role as Champion and the constant engagement here is
altering my role within svn. But I don't actually worry about it
because svn has operated for over nine years without ever having
"leaders". We certainly have *more active* developers, which
changes/morphs over time, but those developers have never been
accorded anything more than any other developer in the community.

> If the PPMC is 100% in support of 'respecting' this list of mentors with
> respect to adapting to life-in-the-ASF, then fine.  But it's a situation

Yes, they are. The proposal was drafted mid-August. There has been
plenty of time for the "PPMC" to review, discuss, and tweak.

> that always concerns me.  The incubator PMC could easily find mentors who
> are supportive of this proposal, but not in dev/leadership roles within
> the SVN community.
>>  * Sponsor:
> I am certain the APR project would entertain a vote to sponsor this podling
> through graduation, if that is useful.

Thanks, but the general rule is that if you're going for TLP, then the
Incubator is the sponsor. We don't intend to become a sub-project of

Listing the sponsor as the Board would be the best description here,
but I think that would really require some kind of "sure" from the
Board, which we don't have, nor do I think would be a good precedent.
The Incubator is sort of a proxy for the Board here.


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