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From Davanum Srinivas <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Request for Waiver of "Make a Release" requirement for Incubator graduation
Date Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:06:34 GMT
I agree with the following, i don't think a waiver is needed right now...

 > "This is a graduation issue, why can't it just wait
 > until then and say in the graduation proposal there's not been a
 > release but its not necessary because of x y z."

thanks,
dims

On 11/10/2009 01:49 PM, ant elder wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Greg Stein<gstein@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> Hello IPMC,
>>
>> The Subversion podling would like a waiver of the requirement to make
>> a release before graduation.
>>
>> As we understand this requirement, it is present in order to
>> demonstrate to the podling how releases are made at the ASF.
>> Packaging, licensing, signing, placement into the distrubtion/mirror
>> system, announcements, among others[1]. We believe that the Subversion
>> community already has a deep understanding of the Apache release
>> model, based on the following qualifications of several of its
>> committers/mentors:
>>
>> * Greg Stein has been a committer at Apache since before the
>> Foundation was started. He has been involved in releases of httpd and
>> APR, including time as Release Manager (RM) for APR. He helped to
>> establish the APR TLP and the Commons TLP (prior incarnation; now
>> defunct). Greg wrote the versioning guidelines for APR, which are also
>> in use by the Subversion project. Through his 8+ years on the Board,
>> he has read and reviewed reports from across the ASF about release,
>> IP, and infrastructure issues.
>>
>> * Justin Erenkrantz has been a committer since 2001, contributing to
>> httpd and APR, along with mentoring the stdcxx project when it was in
>> the Incubator. He has been the RM for both httpd and APR. In fact,
>> Justin wrote the initial guidelines for the release of httpd. Justin
>> has been part of Infrastructure almost since its inception as a
>> distinct group, which includes the provision of all the facilities to
>> actually make and distribute ASF releases. Justin has spent many years
>> on the Board, providing further insight to releases across the
>> Foundation.
>>
>> * Sander Striker has been a committer since 2001, contributing to APR
>> and then httpd. Sander acted as the RM for httpd releases, and also
>> held a stint as the VP for httpd. Add in his time spent with
>> Infrastructure and the Board, and he's been observing ASF releases for
>> many years.
>>
>> * Garrett Rooney has been a committer since 2004, contributing and
>> making releases of APR, and committing to httpd. He was also the VP of
>> APR for several years, and has mentored two Incubating projects.
>>
>> * Daniel Rall has been a committer since 2001, contributing to many
>> projects: Turbine, Fulcrum, Torque, and numerous Jakarta Commons
>> projects. He established the community around XML-RPC, brought it
>> through the Incubator, and maintained it for several years within the
>> XML Project. He also participated in some of the bootstrapping around
>> the Velocity and Maven prtingojects, and participated on the Infra team.
>>
>> The Subversion community's belief is that we have ample experience to
>> guide us in making a release, when that time is arrives. There will
>> certainly be variances (e.g. mirroring) from our current established
>> procedures[2], but some simple fine-tuning should resolve that. The
>> bulk of the existing release process already meets and exceeds that a
>> typical Apache release. Niclas Hedman pointed out that the Subversion
>> community has produced 32 releases over the past four years, which
>> hopefully indicates a smooth, understood, and functional release
>> process.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -g
>>
>> [1] one particular item is using a release as a gating/focal point for
>> legal review, but we feel that can be performed as an action
>> separate/distinct from performing a release
>> [2] http://subversion.tigris.org/release-process.html
>>
>
> -0
>
> I'm not at all familiar with how the Subversion project works so as an
> IPMC member I don't see how I can decide this before they've even
> started incubating. This is a graduation issue, why can't it just wait
> until then and say in the graduation proposal there's not been a
> release but its not necessary because of x y z.
>
>     ...ant
>
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