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From: James Strachan <james.strachan@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:54:45 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Aries incubator for Enterprise OSGi
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2009/9/1 Guillaume Nodet <gnodet@gmail.com>:
> Not sure how to articulate my thoughts here.
>
> First, it's not about competing against Felix, though you'll find in the =
ASF
> multiple competing products (Axis vs CXF to mention only this one) and th=
e
> ASF has never stated as a goal that it would provide a coherent offer or
> anything like this.
>
> The problem I have with Felix is really a branding problem. =A0While *we*=
 (as
> developers) very well know that all the subprojects of Felix are not tied=
 to
> the Felix Framework itself, it's really difficult to spread this word aro=
und
> to non techies. =A0The name Felix is often associated to the OSGi framewo=
rk
> implementation itself, and it's kinda hard to remove this tie unless eith=
er
> the project or the framework change its name to something else. =A0For
> example, the framework could be referred to as Apache Foo and other
> subprojects as Apache iPojo or Apache Karaf. =A0I think it would help rem=
oving
> this tie. =A0 The other way around is possible too, rename the project to
> something else, and keep Apache Felix as referring to the framework itsel=
f
> (which might be even better, but slightly more difficult to actually
> achieve). =A0I'm not sure there is a very easy way, but dev@felix.a.o wou=
ld a
> better place to discuss that.
>
> Another thought that comes to my mind is that over the past years, the AS=
F
> has tried to dismantle umbrella projects when it makes sense: i.e. when o=
ne
> of the subproject has sufficient momentum to create a community on its ow=
n.
> ACE is another podling related to OSGi and AFAIK it implements the
> DeploymentAdmin OSGi spec. =A0 I also see Karaf as a possible TLP at some
> point. =A0 That would become a problem with Felix, as the communities are
> rather disjoint between the subprojects (not all, I do agree). =A0Not sur=
e
> what the good size for a TLP is and other members can join the discussion
> and provide feedback. =A0 I don't think felix is oversized right now, but=
 it
> might become a problem if it goes too far. =A0 =A0Given this proposal inc=
ludes
> more than 20 committers and most of them are not felix committers, we'd n=
eed
> the incubator for building up this community anyway. =A0 And btw, as any =
other
> incubator proposal, everyone interested is free to join the proposal and =
we
> would particularly welcome any felix committer here.
>
> That said, Aries wants to focus on application focused enterprise OSGi
> specs, which I do agree, could fit in the Felix scope, as could Ace do
> too. =A0 I guess in all cases, things can be discussed at the time the po=
dling
> will graduate out of the incubator. =A0The current goal is to aim to TLP =
as we
> think the size of the project can back that, but this is not written in
> stone.

FWIW I agree too. I think the name "Felix" is now synonymous with the
Felix OSGi framework implementation in most peoples eyes.

--=20
James
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