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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 10:53:43 +0200
Message-ID: <71235db40909170153q29abdf2fv36fcbe599174be08@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Release OpenWebBeans M3
From: Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@apache.org>
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Niall Pemberton
<niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:01 AM, Gurkan Erdogdu <gurkanerdogdu@yahoo.com>=
 wrote:
>> Hi Niall;
>>
>>>>>The usual process is to allow 72hrs for a vote and not just declare it
>>>>>when 3 votes are received. Also Sebb raised an issue and IMO its good
>>>>>etiquette to allow discussions to run their course before declaring a
>>>>>vote.
>>
>>>>>"Votes should generally be permitted to run for at least 72 hours to
>>>>>provide an opportunity for all concerned persons to participate
>>>>>regardless of their geographic locations."
>>>>>from http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>
>> I have already know those rules!.
>
> Then I'm surprised you chose to do something different and IMO
> impatience isn't a good enough reason.
>
>> Besides, I was a bit of rush because of waiting too much to release :) O=
therwise we were not able to release something that our community uses!
>>
>>>>>Also Sebb raised an issue and IMO its good
>>>>>etiquette to allow discussions to run their course before declaring a
>>>>>vote.
>>
>> I responded Sebb explanations. I thought that it may not block this rele=
ase!
>
> Sebb indicated that he thought that one of the points he raised was a
> blocker and although you responded you didn't allow time to see if he
> agreed with you. Giving a response is not reaching consensus.
> Sometimes you don't end up agreeing, but you need to allow time to see
> if its possible.

I totally agree, that rushing is not a good practice. Thanks Niall for
jumping in.

-Matthias


>
> Niall
>
>> If possible I would like to apply Sebb's concerns in next M4 release tha=
t we will try to be perfect :)
>>
>> Thanks;
>>
>> --Gurkan
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:26:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Release OpenWebBeans M3
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Gurkan Erdogdu
>> <cgurkanerdogdu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi;
>>>
>>> The [VOTE] is now closed. The [VOTE] to release OpenWebBeans-M3 is
>>> successful.
>>>
>>> There are three +1 binding
>>
>> The usual process is to allow 72hrs for a vote and not just declare it
>> when 3 votes are received. Also Sebb raised an issue and IMO its good
>> etiquette to allow discussions to run their course before declaring a
>> vote.
>>
>> "Votes should generally be permitted to run for at least 72 hours to
>> provide an opportunity for all concerned persons to participate
>> regardless of their geographic locations."
>> from http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
>>
>> "The community then tries to gather consensus on an alternative
>> proposal that resolves the issue. In the great majority of cases, the
>> concerns leading to the negative vote can be addressed."
>> from http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#decision-making
>>
>> Niall
>>
>>> +1 Votes
>>> -----------------
>>> * Kevan Miller (binding)
>>> * Matthias Wessendorf (binding)
>>> * Niall Pemberton (binding)
>>>
>>>
>>> I will add distribution artifacts to the =A0incubator "dist/" =A0place =
and
>>> upload to m3-incubator-repository
>>>
>>> Thanks to all;
>>>
>>> -- Gurkan
>>>
>>
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