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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Aries incubator for Enterprise OSGi
Date Sat, 05 Sep 2009 04:35:00 GMT
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Richard S. Hall<> wrote:
> On 9/4/09 16:10, Davanum Srinivas wrote:

>> Choices are
>> 1) Podling -> TLP
>> 2) Podling -> Felix Sub project
>> 3) Podling -> Felix Sub project -> TLP
>> 4) Felix Sub project
>> 5) Felix Sub project -> TLP
>> So, why should we bypass incubator?

No, AFAIK, that is not an option when a large bulk of the incoming
community is new to ASF.

> Again, there was already a project incubated to educate incoming folks on
> how to create open source OSGi spec impls at Apache, so why do we need to
> repeat that process?
> Your phrasing of this question implies we are trying to somehow skirt the
> Apache way, but educating incoming people via contributions and meritocracy
> to an existing project is not some shortcut.

Yes, if you are accepting a large number of people into a TLP on the
basis "they will create..." or "they donated...", then that PMC is
"skirting the Apache way". My stance has been that if a code donation
include 1 or 2 new people, then that can be handled that way, but 9
people on that basis will/should probably not fly. Considering the
large number of ASF members and committers on the rooster, this is
perhaps a border case, but since it is said that "not much code
exist", then I also suspect that the rooster is 'rigged' with people
in the organization that has a general interest and strong ASF
affilliation and that the non-ASFers are those who are expected to do
most of the work.

Hence, the group's decision to come to Incubator is a correct one.
Where it graduates to is a different story, and I can leave that
question for later. And the Felix community is encouraged to follow
and participate the Aries effort.

I think this discussion is more or less over.

Unless it was missed earlier; My +1 for incubation.

Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer - New Energy for Java

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