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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:18:11 +0100
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Subject: Re: Diversity as an insurance policy (Was: [VOTE] Graduation of
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From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Ralph Goers<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wro=
te:
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goers<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>

<snip>

>>> That's why I measure the "three independent committers" criteria by
>>> looking at the commit log instead of the asf-authorization file. And
>>> I'm not asking much, just a few code commits in the past few months is
>>> good enough for me.
>>>
>>> That's the criteria that I held Sling against, and that's also what's
>>> currently keeping UIMA from graduating (and apparently also for over a
>>> year before I signed up to help them). If the consensus is that this
>>> is a bit too hard a requirement, then I'll be happy to bring UIMA up
>>> for graduation in the next few months.
>>>
>>
>> I'm suggesting that while that criteria makes sense for someone not
>> involved in a project, it isn't necessarily the best way to determine ho=
w
>> healthy the community is. =A0If mentors are mentoring then we should giv=
e
>> heavy weight to their recommendation and judgment with respect to
>> graduation. If a mentor needs these kinds of statistics to tell him/her
>> whether the project is healthy then I am very concerned.
>>
>> Ralph
>
> I should also clarify. Some projects will never be ready to stand on thei=
r
> own as a TLP. Sanselan moved to Commons for just this reason. I'm not sur=
e
> that Commons is the best home for every project in this position, but as
> part of the graduation recommendation mentors should identify this. If th=
e
> only concern over a community is its size (but they clearly understand th=
e
> Apache way of doing things) then graduation as a subproject makes complet=
e
> sense to me and we should actively look for the right TLP to move it to.

in the case when there is no suitable TLP, do we need to start
proposing new commons-style TLPs?

- robert

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